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gillest wrote: OOC : I hope you are joking, was probably one of the best I ever made (jk sry)

interpreting our history has always been a slippery slope, and I like to read those interpretations even when I disagree with them and may be able to countpoint them. 2 people can read the same thing and pull different meaning, while others just outright rewrite stuff. It makes newer homins have to truly read the lore to dicepher the truth... if possible

The Tryton movement comes from an obscure historical reference points, like the one about to follow taken from the Zoari lore.

" He (Elias) appeared in a halo of light some three generations ago to a chosen few to tell them how to lead homins from kitin infested lands through a rainbow to the relative safety of the Prime Roots of faraway lands. During the years that followed, some Zoraï sages founded the Guild of Elias with other homin races to keep his memory alive"

Tryton never opened a gate, he led Homins to them. In most of the histories he is as an incorporeal being. The Elias who visited us a few years back's only credentials as being Elias was his name. He didn't do anything or say anything no one else knows. He taught nothing, he showed nothing.

Interestingly, enough though Tryton appears in history before the Kami or Ma-Duk are ever referenced. The Kami use to follow the Great Spirit of Jena, now they follow an individual lord named Ma-Duk. It was amongst the Zoari that the Kami and Ma-Duk rose to power. The Zoari use to have separation of church and state, the cult of Ma-Duk and Hoi-cho his first disciple ended that. If there is an Elias Tryton ,I think instead of representing a third faction Elias is most likely the keeper of the collective mind of the Kami. Ma-Duk appears in history 3 years after Elias disappears from it. Could Elias be Ma-Duk? Is it Elias who brought the Mask to the Zoari 50 years ago?

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danolt wrote:Tryton never opened a gate, he led Homins to them.

Tsk. Tsk. Putting Zora temple lore over Fairhaven Karavan lore. The Fairhaven temple says that Elias opened magic portals - perhaps Karavan teleporting technology since he is called a fallen Karavan prophet there.

Fairhaven Temple lore wrote:Elias Tryton, a fallen prophet who was corrupted by the Dragon, has reappeared on Atys and tries to influence the homins. He is the one behind the Great Swarming, unleashing the anger of the Kitins to demolish homin civilizations, he opened magic portals to send the survivors into the shadows of the Prime Roots. He underestimated the strength of the Karavan, who ended the invasion and protected the light of Jena in the hearts of the exiled homins.

I am enjoying the h[plz Daestny don't edit me ]ll out of this thread.

Thanks all, and keep it coming!

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I have one main faction - my guild. All else comes second or less. I left my homeland to join them, though I go back for visits quite often. I am loyal to Jena, and am aligned to her messengers, but if my guild were to abandon that creed I would go with them. (Unlikely to happen) My first allegiance is to the homins I fight with, dig with, and craft for. Frankly, the Karavan people are kinda scary to little short me - as are those huuuuge blue Zoraï people.

So maybe I'm sort of semi-agnostic. I think that all homins are doing what they think is best, otherwise they wouldn't do it, right? We just don't all agree on what "best" is.

In other words, despite the overt appearance of just two "Cults" or "Factions", down deep there are as many sides to the coin as there are homins.

I too, am enjoying this thread ALOT.
And once again Mugendo, awesome post. As well as so many of you.
I wonder, I know that all the lore is on the website, but wouldn't it be INCREDIBLE to have it all aligned by dates and times, in a single booklet?
It would be a great tool for anyone trying to decide between factions.
Just a side note. I might give this a try..
Beau

Lore on the website but not all of it

Some parts of the Lore have been rewritten, some removed to fit some features Nevrax implemented...
As well, some Lore-explanations-intentions from before release where never incorporated in the books...
Even the zorai have forgotten it now: Kami long ago wanted to give them power on plants: the cratchas that you find in Void nowadays were supposed to be "summonabled" by the Zorai and to act as a buff

I will try to find the link on Mondes persistants website for the ones that can speak french

gillest wrote:Lore on the website but not all of it

Some parts of the Lore have been rewritten, some removed to fit some features Nevrax implemented...
As well, some Lore-explanations-intentions from before release where never incorporated in the books...
Even the zorai have forgotten it now: Kami long ago wanted to give them power on plants: the cratchas that you find in Void nowadays were supposed to be "summonabled" by the Zorai and to act as a buff

I will try to find the link on Mondes persistants website for the ones that can speak french

Please, don't let us remember all the content that is not in game. We are still trying to forget all the dreams of the past

As a player who has been around since the day after the beginning of time, I am not totally happy with the Lore currently available. Revised history is more easily described as "lies", and the Iraqi Information Minister was probably responsible for whats available at the Temples.
About the only information that I trust 100%, is out-of-game interview stuff, like that Atys was an engineered world, the nanoseed, stuff like that. My fading memories of early lore I trust about 60%, things like Tryton being Jena's lover, Jena being the only "human" on Atys.
Current information I trust maybe 30%, with the requirement of comparing it to the opposing sides version of the story, and the motivation of the provider.
A problem is that there is no way for homins to independently validate information that is given to them, The Karavan say one thing, the Kami say another. Where is the Homins body of folktales, verbal history.. where are the amber cubes from before the powers intervened ?

Sometimes I enjoy trying to sort the truth from the lies, other days it just gets me down

iwojimmy wrote:As a player who has been around since the day after the beginning of time, I am not totally happy with the Lore currently available. Revised history is more easily described as "lies", and the Iraqi Information Minister was probably responsible for whats available at the Temples.
About the only information that I trust 100%, is out-of-game interview stuff, like that Atys was an engineered world, the nanoseed, stuff like that. My fading memories of early lore I trust about 60%, things like Tryton being Jena's lover, Jena being the only "human" on Atys.
Current information I trust maybe 30%, with the requirement of comparing it to the opposing sides version of the story, and the motivation of the provider.
A problem is that there is no way for homins to independently validate information that is given to them, The Karavan say one thing, the Kami say another. Where is the Homins body of folktales, verbal history.. where are the amber cubes from before the powers intervened ?

Sometimes I enjoy trying to sort the truth from the lies, other days it just gets me down

wouldn't it be awesome if each capital city had some sort of library where we could gain access to all kinds of amber cubes and parchments (depending on civ fame) and read the diaries/anecdotes of explorers, ancient tribes, kings, merchants ? Chances are we'd get a version much closer to the truth than what the higher powers want us to believe.*dreamzzz*

meloner wrote:wouldn't it be awesome if each capital city had some sort of library where we could gain access to all kinds of amber cubes and parchments (depending on civ fame) and read the diaries/anecdotes of explorers, ancient tribes, kings, merchants ? Chances are we'd get a version much closer to the truth than what the higher powers want us to believe.*dreamzzz*

Amen to that! A Brilliant idea indeed!