Escalation of the war(S)?

[dcrispo]

HOLD ON HERE!!!
What the heck are we talking about here total civil war??
This idea was fine when we were discussing the creation of NPC faction camps and groups. It worked really well in starwars galaxies and offered alot of fun. But, now what we are discussing IMHO is a PvPers paradise. Total chaos. Great for established players maybe but, with no room for new players on the long road to some type of homin that can easily involve themselves in this madness.
For the most part a large percentage of the Ryzom population is PvE'ers and they engage sometimes in OP battles for guild or alliances and mostly for something different. Creating NPC camps etc would work well for them providing that rewards were limited to say some crystals, op mats or different look armor/weapons (stats determined as usual by the crafter and not to exceed the highest possible stats of regular armor). Neutrals can be involved by offering the same rewards/titles for the huge number of bandit camps already ingame.
Lets not try to turn Ryzom into some PvP based game and I'm sure (hope) the devs see this too. There are far too many PvP based games online already, Ryzom is a breath of fresh air with some optional pvP and lots of PvE in a player run economy not plagued with uber drops/loot.
Lets add what works within the framework of Lore and what does not change the whole appeal of the game for the wants of only one section of the population.
Just one old man's thoughts.

[zanthar]

My point is that neutral does not necessarily mean "true neutral" in Ryzom. Nor does it need to.

But my point is that if you so chose to stay under that "Neutral flag", you must also accept that there may be a certain amount of content that may not be available, because the pvp was designed around two factions warring and neutral in the mechanics means, whether you like it or not, you abstain no matter your sub-factions beliefs. That's not to say that Neutrals don't need or deserve content that's not what I'm saying at all.

[xtarsia]

can the neutrals stop moaning AGAIN xD

are PvPers allowed NO extra content just cos u dont want to take part???

please... theres kittin lair being worked on amongst other things too (we hope) i PvE and PvP so it seems to me that the *vocal* neutrals here just moan, because others *do* PvP and they feel its unfair that we get more content than they do...

its a choice anyone can make,to PvP or not, deal with it xD

/rant

[zanthar]

HOLD ON HERE!!!
What the heck are we talking about here total civil war??
This idea was fine when we were discussing the creation of NPC faction camps and groups. It worked really well in starwars galaxies and offered alot of fun. But, now what we are discussing IMHO is a PvPers paradise. Total chaos. Great for established players maybe but, with no room for new players on the long road to some type of homin that can easily involve themselves in this madness.
For the most part a large percentage of the Ryzom population is PvE'ers and they engage sometimes in OP battles for guild or alliances and mostly for something different. Creating NPC camps etc would work well for them providing that rewards were limited to say some crystals, op mats or different look armor/weapons (stats determined as usual by the crafter and not to exceed the highest possible stats of regular armor). Neutrals can be involved by offering the same rewards/titles for the huge number of bandit camps already ingame.
Lets not try to turn Ryzom into some PvP based game and I'm sure (hope) the devs see this too. There are far too many PvP based games online already, Ryzom is a breath of fresh air with some optional pvP and lots of PvE in a player run economy not plagued with uber drops/loot.
Lets add what works within the framework of Lore and what does not change the whole appeal of the game for the wants of only one section of the population.
Just one old man's thoughts.

No, I'm not talking civil war, just that neutrals can't expect to be totally included in every aspect of the faction functionality of this game, because as I understand the mechanics as they are they can't be. I also agree whith the rest of your post as well! That being said your proposal for neutrals to gain titles and other rewards via fighting bandits is a fair proposal and would be close to what Tigrus initally porposed for the factions.

[tigrus]

EVERYONE CALM DOWN!!!!!!!
lets not get this locked...




Stick to IDEA's

[zanthar]

EVERYONE CALM DOWN!!!!!!!
lets not get this locked...




Stick to IDEA's

LOL Tigrus the mod! Who'da thunk it! I am simply debating, I'm not flaming at all and I will agree that it is off topic sorta. I'll back off, so that this can get back to your original topic. I think the ideas posted so far are very well thought out and within the lore of the game and actually could enrich the lore a bit as well!

[zanthar]

Clothing plans could also be added to the game here too! Just something so we could get out of the armor. Make these like the armor plans, in that there are three tiers to buy for the plan Basic, medium, and high quality plans.

[vguerin]

I beleive the other servers have had some Race based conflicts and there was atleast one in Beta (Tryker n Fyros V Matis n Zorai iirc at a wedding in Secret Kami Oasis)

This brought back a truly sweet SoR memory for me... Thanks for the reminder !

There is enough dissention in this thread to show the problems GF has pleasing everyone. We all want more, not sure that but a few want more PvP specifically... we just want ways to achieve more things. So far none of the suggestions bring the "Saga" back, unless we are moving forward we are still stagnating.

[zanthar]

Quote:
Originally Posted by petej
I beleive the other servers have had some Race based conflicts and there was atleast one in Beta (Tryker n Fyros V Matis n Zorai iirc at a wedding in Secret Kami Oasis)

This brought back a truly sweet SoR memory for me... Thanks for the reminder !

There is enough dissention in this thread to show the problems GF has pleasing everyone. We all want more, not sure that but a few want more PvP specifically... we just want ways to achieve more things. So far none of the suggestions bring the "Saga" back, unless we are moving forward we are still stagnating.

I for one am all for them bringing back "The Saga"! The post that Cohen did in the news section of the main site was very inspiring to say the very least! The fact that we have only 5% of the planet open to us and the possibility for interplanetary travel opens a multitude of possibilities for content! The new races, which should be playable, looked really good too! His vision for this game was very large and awe-inspiring at least to me it was. If he is no longer with this game then they need to get him back A.S.A.P. and working on new stuff! I whole heartedly agree that if we don't move forward the game will stagnate and on top of that loose players!

[setstyle]

A lot of the ideas in the original post are really appealing, but to start off I'd like to question one:

- Reinstate the HP, sap, stam, speed, invuln eggs you gave out at Christmas, and make them buyable for faction points. This will also give a chance for alot of people to maybe do some things easier, due to the *SOMETIMES* hard time to get groups. And I know myself and several others really enjoyed the idea of those eggs.

These things are pretty helpful in PvE situations, I agree, but making them available anytime would allow for some possibly annoying PvP situations. For reference, check out this thread for the discussion of "healing potions" and some good points as to why they should stay out of Ryzom. Perhaps a solution would be to disallow their use when one's outpost or PvP-active flags are present.

That being said, as a Karavaneer I really like the sound of everything else and the more active role a factioned player could take in the world: equipping the guards, storming the strongholds... all very cool stuff. Everything suggested so far, though, would easily keep the developers busy for the next, oh, 3 years or so , and in that time I don't think the neutrals would see anything even close to this in which they could participate (yes, I am "moaning" , remember that neutrals are just as important a part of our playerbase as everyone else, and we honestly can't afford to push anyone away from the game).

How about civilization camps as well, that you don't even need to be race-aligned to support? After all, would a civilization really refuse someone's help just because they aren't a citizen? Of course those that are declared would reap some greater benefits, but I would personally love to see a Fyros-supported expedition traveling into the roots to unveil the mystery of the dragon, a Matis force searching for artifacts of their lost kingdom... you get the idea. This devotion to discovery could all be very beneficial for the development of the Saga rather than the back-and-forth factional slaughter.