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Re: Xavier's still at it :)
Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:48 am
by martl
ummax wrote:Even if his hands dont have 2 thin dimes to rub together to make it go?
Its a given ryzom as of the day the receivorship was announced to go into effect is going to be different even if some well meaning original dev (that no longer works for nevrax as it is now) takes it over its gonna change.
Whatever happens ryzom is going to be changing because the company that runs it and puts in the ideas and makes it all "go" is leaving
This is something we are gonna have to accept no matter who's hands it falls into its gonna be different. I think it will be the most different if it suddenly becomes a free sourcecode mainly due to the fact that all these servers now will go bye bye as he is only buying the code/art etc not the entire company. Have no illusions about that Ryzom will change big time if this happens
The least disruptive solution would be for a company that already handels games to come in and take all the information and make these servers theirs. (or at least the contents intact moved over onto their servers)
Free source code would result in this particular version of ryzom ending very fast hehe and so should be considered a last resort big time. (no crystal balls are gonna be needed for that unless or course nevrax has plans to make off with a copy of the entire game databases and all and give them to this guy to load onto his server before the hard drives get wiped or uh smushed up or uh whatever might happen if this code is not sold to a gaming company -course then we are assuming he has a server to load them on and ... then.. )
Of course changes will happen. I dont think thats a bad thing per se, do you? The question is, will the changes be in a way that is in the spirit of Ryzom, or will it be nerfed to be more mainstream and attract new players fast (but driving the old ones away).
We all are aware i think, that setting up a MMO as an open source project is a new challenge without any precedence. Still doesnt mean it couldn't work. If you've been in os projects before, you know better than me that free sourcecode doesnt automatically mean chaos. Products like Samba, Apache etc seem pretty reliably stable to me.
If some non-profit org runs the (main) servers for a subscription fee, its up to whoever is in charge to decide which version and which derivate of the "free ryzom" software is running on it, doesnt it?
of course this is a project with many, many question marks andmaybe only< a 30% chance of succeeding... but yet, its a vision. I a positive sense.
Glo
Wow such a long posting of you without a single pick on "spam" and the quality of ryzom.org website? getting tired?
Re: Xavier's still at it :)
Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 5:29 pm
by ummax
martl wrote:Glo
Wow such a long posting of you without a single pick on "spam" and the quality of ryzom.org website? getting tired?
No but i can add it if you like (wasn't subject appropriate though) and what does "Glo" mean?
Re: Xavier's still at it :)
Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:12 pm
by jarko
totnkopf wrote:exactly... which is why I hope X doesn't get it. I'd rather see Ryzom walk off into the sunset than become mutated, buggy, and horribly warped before finally dying.
not to mention hosting issues....
cant agree more
Re: Xavier's still at it :)
Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:11 pm
by martl
ummax wrote:No but i can add it if you like (wasn't subject appropriate though) and what does "Glo" mean?
read two lines down, its got something to do with my Chars name
Re: Xavier's still at it :)
Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:17 pm
by ummax
martl wrote:read two lines down, its got something to do with my Chars name
oh hehe I thought it was some wierd internet term that I had not learned yet that had evolved
that was too easy I guess to see it was your name
Re: Xavier's still at it :)
Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:33 pm
by kiexa
this whole thing with nev.org seems very clumsy, i have little faith in it, after this X euro is raised and spent on buying the code, there will be another money pledge drive to pay for Jolt, then to pay for operation base premises, then for advertising inside the open source realms.
Xavier had his chance to suceed with this game, he failed, he`s proved in the past his hotheadedness also and his failures since the takover role from DCC have been very evident (in his public relation interviews / administration etc)
I`d personnally prefer a company with capital, assets, engineers, an address, and a structured plan not a whim. And most importantly a successful experience background.
Re: Xavier's still at it :)
Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:59 pm
by kaetemi
Re: Xavier's still at it :)
Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:49 pm
by kiexa
stopped reading at the sentence that jolt would be dropped
Re: Xavier's still at it :)
Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:21 am
by sx4rlet
kiexa wrote:stopped reading at the sentence that jolt would be dropped
I must agree with Kiexa (and that is scary...)
I don't have a clue how many people work at Nevrax now, but I doubt you can pay their salary with 60k euros. I love Ryzom, but I think it is better of with a company heading -anywhere- then a community going -somewhere-.
And to quote Kiexa, i think Ryzom has the best support in any mmorpg as far as I noticed (in Ryzom I get a response in minutes, which takes days in any other mmo). I doubt any other could do the same kind of support.
(now that I think of it... I wonder why CSR havent got me on /ignore yet...)
Re: Xavier's still at it :)
Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:42 am
by praha
kiexa wrote:stopped reading at the sentence that jolt would be dropped
Biggest mistake EVER. I am not a CSR. But the Jolt team is the backbone of why this communiy is so strong. Ever try to send a tell to a CSR in another game? Yeah, probably not b/c most of em have you alt+tab now to submit a ticket these days (re-re's I tell ya).