Ryzom

grimjim wrote:You lose

* Direct TP to 250 areas and the Prime Roots.
* Access to a PvP tag.
* An alliance to back up ownership of an outpost, should you want one.

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arfindel wrote:Alllow me to disagree, Jyudas. If you are a guild with a lot of friends and if you are able to lead a political line appropriate for the purpose I am sure a neutral guild can get together an alliance to win an OP with and for you.

Dragonblades btw are an example of such a situation.

arfindel wrote:But... the person asking said: no pvp whatsoever, therefore only an exceptional inheritage would lead them to have an OP.

danolt wrote:......
. These battles are like elections, no one is hurt, no one dies, and when it is over, in most cases the side with the most Homins wins.
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Pero

iwojimmy wrote:In RL, as a result of every election you get winners and losers.

the winner will be the politicians.

the losers will be the voters.

vguerin wrote:Real life ? The Trykers just experienced this...

(but thats a whole other thread )

iwojimmy wrote:In RL, as a result of every election you get winners and losers.

the winner will be the politicians.

the losers will be the voters.

iphdrunk wrote:Implying that belonging to a game faction is taking part in mindless warring and sectarian warfare is shortsighted, snobbish and simplistic. Belonging to a faction has several aspects, ranging from a religious one, true.. to warmongery if you want it, without precluding complex positions where one may be factioned yet have doubts or not agree with everything, as much as catholics may use preservatives. You are, by your affirmations, guilty of the same thing you accuse other players to be, be fanatical, a simplisitic bi-polar personalities or dismissing arrogance towards others. You seem to imply that by being atheist or agnostic one is morally superior. Nonsense.

Stating that one factioned player is mindless warrior is like asserting that a neutral player is undecided, coward or willing to reap the benefits with no sacrificies, with lack or beliefs or pure materialism... quite not the picture is it?. You cannot put the Kami or the Karavan in a black-white color setting

Of course, I may be expecting yet another post, arrogant even, where your gameplay, style and roleplaying aspects are so far better and superior to others that picking anything but your choices is a dumb move. I'm sorry, I respect your choices as much as others, but to a point, I do believe neutrals have a part and they enrich the game. From there, towards that condesceding, dismissing attitude.. thanks but no thanks. *shrug*

grimjim wrote:And if you are?

aardnebb wrote:The Karavan: are destroying Atys for their own greed and exploitative purpose.

The Kami: hypocritically compromise their own ideals when it suits them, and do the above occasionally.

They both: command their minions to kill each other to uphold their "ideals".

If you are neutral because you chose not to march in lockstep with these questionable "higher powers" then you are certainly displaying a certain amount of moral fiber lacking in their minions (unless the minions are simply blind to the realities of the situation, I suppose you can be moral but oblivious in a faction).

Thats moral superiority. There is nothing _wrong_ with playing a morally flawed character, heck all of the best characters in any setting are flawed in some way. But thats your choice.