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grimjim wrote:So... what about the resource rape for the temple building eh? Seems a bit... out of character for preservers of the planet, no?

you lack of faith becomes you jyudas, a simple brigand such as yourself dares to question a direct commandment of the kami. The kami decreed the planets resources should be used for their temples and therefore we obeyed.

The kami would not have allowed this if the balance of the planet would have been upset.

Are you not weary of you endless search for dappers, does the fight for a higher selfless purpose scare you. Lets see what your dappers are worth when there is nothing left for you to purchase, when the planet is barren and all that is left is a husk.

Go, enjoy your drinking and gambling while our brave kami warriors fight to preserve the very planet you walk on.

Aside from revealing how little you know about us what does this show?

So, the Kami say that the resources are to be preserved... except when they decide they need them, then you can dig a gaping pit into Atys for all they care. Touch hypocritical.

Once your words might have convinced me. After the temples? Not at all. The Karavan are no better. You say the Kami are after balance? Doesn't seem like it to me one bit. If anyone's pushing balance - between the factions - its people like us.

grimjim wrote:So... what about the resource rape for the temple building eh? Seems a bit... out of character for preservers of the planet, no?

As the Kami are the true protectors of Atys, they know what can be used and what can not be used. When the Kami ask for resources they do so with full knowledge of how it affects Ayts. The Karavan do not have that power. They only seek to take from Atys without and concern or knowledge to it's adverse effects.

Think of it this way. The Kami are like a bartender. They have knowledge of the drink available. They know when too much is being consumed. The Karavan are like the customer. They go into the bar and drink for their benefit.They have no idea or concern for the amount that is actual available.

In the case of the Silt Sculptors. The Karavan is a customer not welcomed to the bar. So they sent other customers to the bar to buy alcohol for them. I was the bouncer that prevented them from doing that.

raynes wrote:As the Kami are the true protectors of Atys, they know what can be used and what can not be used. When the Kami ask for resources they do so with full knowledge of how it affects Ayts. The Karavan do not have that power. They only seek to take from Atys without and concern or knowledge to it's adverse effects.

Both sides took the same resources in the same manner in the same amount. Your words ring hollow.

grimjim wrote:Both sides took the same resources in the same manner in the same amount. Your words ring hollow.

My words are the words of the Kami and those are the only ones that matter. Argue as you wish, that does not change the fact that stealing resources for the Karavan is not allowed and will be stopped.

I am starting to wonder about your neutrality though. You claim to be neutral, yet you do not stay out of conflict. You claim to be neutral, yet you defend the Karavans right to steal the resources of Atys. You seem to want to be neutral, yet also want to want to reap the benefits of Kami and Karavan fellowship (though I can not image what the benefits of Karavan fellowship are). The Kami have warned of those like you. Those homins who say they wish to be left alone, yet then turn around and aide the invaders. Be warned you are being watched by the Kami forces. Step to far into the conflict and your claim of neutrality will mean nothing.

raynes wrote: I am starting to wonder about your neutrality though. You claim to be neutral, yet you do not stay out of conflict. You claim to be neutral, yet you defend the Karavans right to steal the resources of Atys. You seem to want to be neutral, yet also want to want to reap the benefits of Kami and Karavan fellowship (though I can not image what the benefits of Karavan fellowship are). The Kami have warned of those like you. Those homins who say they wish to be left alone, yet then turn around and aide the invaders. Be warned you are being watched by the Kami forces. Step to far into the conflict and your claim of neutrality will mean nothing.

It seems to me you take 'neutrality' as meaning apart from all conflicts. However there are many types of neutrality. Neutrality could be a third side to the conflict, rather than neither.

otaku157 wrote:It seems to me you take 'neutrality' as meaning apart from all conflicts. However there are many types of neutrality. Neutrality could be a third side to the conflict, rather than neither.

Neutrality means you do not take either side in the Karavan/Kami conflict. If you are found helping the Karavan, then you are not neutral and will be treated as a follower of the Karavan.

A homin can not expect to help the enemy yet be seen as a friend. Things may have been different in the past, however I can assure you that things are changing. Neutrals will be tolerated so long as they stay out of the conflict. If they choose to step into the conflict by aiding one side or the other, then they will be treated as part of the conflict.

"Neutral" is the only officially-recognised word for "not exclusively Kami or Karavan." Thus, due to the vast variances in the motivations of homins who choose to follow neither kult, it doesn't necessarily mean true neutrality.

raynes wrote: A homin can not expect to help the enemy yet be seen as a friend. Things may have been different in the past, however I can assure you that things are changing. Neutrals will be tolerated so long as they stay out of the conflict. If they choose to step into the conflict by aiding one side or the other, then they will be treated as part of the conflict.

And we are all expected to bow down to Lord Raynes, Voice of Ma-Duk!
Who are you to decipher how things were, and even more incredibly, how things will be?

You are a nothing more than a crazed murderer and a hypocrite. A proclamation from you has no more weight than the gurgling of a frothing torbak. Incoherant and easily dispatched at the end of a lance.

You are held up as the example of Kamihood, and I can only hope that all of Atys sees the true nature of Ma-Duk and wakes up to the threat.

Since the temple wars, Ma-Duk's power has been failing. Where the Kami used to slaughter us for digging even a small amount of resources, Jena's growing power has prevented them from doing so nearly as often.

Since the Kami are no longer as able to kill us directly, thanks to the Sun-Goddess, they send thier slaves; who have grown twisted and evil by the repitition of Kamist doctrine. And see here, all of Atys, the adulation this murderous thug recieves from the mouths of the most ardent of Kamits.

Raynes is what Ma-Duk wants us all to become...exactly as Ma-Duk is.

mrshad wrote:Raynes is what Ma-Duk wants us all to become...exactly as Ma-Duk is.

Don't pretend as though you lot are any better.