I give up

[pvtarea]

I hate to see someone leave Atys...but..If they never got what this game is about,its even more sad.its not a grind,its learning a skill.can you be a master mechanic in only a few short day? no reason to think you can be a master amp crafter or or axe crafter...This is a life on Atys.
in any of these MMORPGs nothing happens real fast,or is it easy.
most new peeps need help setting up.i gift millions of cats,dappers and gear to new peeps in Fyros.It gives me and my guild a chance to see if your the right peeps for us...Unfortunetly few pass our tests.
but there are many of guilds that are just looking for warm bodys so they can have hordes of memebers.even tho they never even log on.
every 30 days we flush inactive players and keep living our Homin lifes.
but to you peeps who just cant hang there are many more MMOs out there
Good luck to you on your adventures.

[mugendo]

Well I was talking to my Fiancee this afternoon about these points raised by the OP of this thread (she also plays Ryzom). She suggested cancelling my account is an option...Of course this option is available to all of us.
She is also of the opinion of the OP in some respects (we are ex SWG people who were used to many features not available/implented in Ryzom). But after discussing our/my options we saw that this game has so much more than any other on the market..and have made the choice to stay..and accept that this is a sandbox game with many of the 'standard' features we were used to not available.
To the folk who say 'move along' and *roll eyes*.....I can understand your frustration at having your game critisized....to the OP (who I assume is an ex SWG player), I appreciate that Ryzom lacks a lot of features that would be nice.
In summary I find myself at a loose end ingame at times.....but because of the excellent (limited throught my own choice) interaction with other players I will persevere.
To the OP .....I really hope you find what you are looking for, and if not.....I will hope you find the community respects your criticism of Ryzom and welcomes you back.

[kiwi2]

Obiviously, you never met Kiwi Fruit, Master Healer of Killing Melee while earning maximum experience points, who chats to everybody and is known far and wide on Atys?

What can I say? It sure did help me get to CG quite fast! You all should try it!

[truce1]

Have you ever considered that most of the "have you ever" questions may be of little to no interest to the original poster? have you ever considered that counting the number of skin spots in a varinx skin may be boring as hell? have you ever thought of considering that some of the points subtly raised may actually be true? have you ever considered that Ryzom is basically evolutionary rather than revolutionary? have you ever considered answering to these posts in a less condescending way?


hear, hear.

/agree
/sign
/clap

[arfindel]

Have you ever considered that most of the "have you ever" questions may be of little to no interest to the original poster? [...] have you ever considered answering to these posts in a less condescending way?
hear, hear.

Little theory here:
Somebody leaves Ryzom, posts that Ryzom is a bad game, and all the community feels the need to answer him, some to convicne him it's not bad, others to convince him he didn't understand the game. These threads are recurrent.

They always move on the same mechanism:
X leaves
X doesn't only leave but posts that Ryzom is bad.
(A, B, C...N) all play and enjoy Ryzom.

If Ryzom is really bad (A, B, C, ... N) are enjoying a bad game, therefore X is cleverer than them. And that's what his posting implies.

If Ryzom is proven good then X didn't understand the game, or didn't take enough effort to understand and then (A, B,C, ... N) are cleverer than him.

Naturally (A, B,C,... N) feel hurt by the first hypothesis and try to prove it wrong.

But if first hypothesis is wrong then the second one is true which makes (A, B, C...N) be in a superior position.

Leaving is neutral.
Posting "Ryzom is bad. I leave" is a condescendent attitude.
Answers are just symetrical condescendent reaction

Detail 1. Posting "Ryzom is bad. I leave" disregards entirely the feelings of the forums community, has a more or less constient will to hurt.
Detail 2. The more the answer is kind, the more denotes self confidence, the more the answer is aggressive denotes need to convince the author himself of his truth.

Don't worry, Anissa, most people who answered affirmed mostly their devotion to our world rather than their condescendence to X.

[rothimar]

Despite what people told me this game is not as diffrent as people claimed it to be. saying it offers alot to do is a joke, unless you find killing izams as opposed to yubos diffrent because the izams can evade more!!! which is pathetic almost.

Why are you worrying about content 200 levels ahead of you? /boggle

There is indeed a lot of different angles to Ryzom than other MMORPG's, speaking from the perspective of a relatively new player and a veteran of other MMO's. If you are playing Ryzom like you would play EQ2, of COURSE you are going to be bored.

Rather than argue about it, if game isn't for you... then move on. What point is it in arguing with people about a game you don't intend to play??

If you are considering staying with the game, then adjust your thinking and come at the game from a different angle. ANY game requires some grinding to increase levels. If you don't want to grind, most MMO's aren't for you.

Posting an angry rant on the forums won't get you anywhere. Asking for help might have though. I haven't trekked to the lakelands yet, but I would have been more than happy to offer some assistance where I could have... but without asking... how would I have known you needed it?

Again, if this isn't the game for you... move on. No need to argue about it for the sake of arguing.

[rothimar]

To deny that many have left because they've felt the same way you feel is to bury our heads in the sand and become only the fanboys and girls many of them see in the ones who have stayed.

I don't think it is the people leaving for whatever reason it is, that is the issue. I think it's the people who post an angry rant about it that attract the reactions you may be referring to.

And as far as I am concerned... every fanboy and fangirl of the game represent another loyal subscription paying for the development of new content. We need more fanboys and fangirls in Ryzom.

Never will understand how being called a fan of the game is supposed to be an insult. If someone isn't a fan... why the hell would they be here in the first place?

Call me a fanboy, I'll thank you for acknowledging my loyalty to a game I love. It has it's downsides... but so does everything else in the world. I personally am doing what I can to improve the situation, without shouting at the rain about this and that.

Perhaps threads like this would cease if there was more possitive pro-action in the community, and perhaps the development staff would open up more to the community if it were more receptive and constructive in it's feedback.

It's a vicious cycle until then.

[raynes]

I'm not going to jump on your case like the rest prepin. I know where you are coming from. I have two suggestions for you. First I created a scenario that is level around level 50. So if you want to try it, give me a yell. I can promise you it will not be easy. The second is that you should try to create some low level scenarios. It's actually a lot of fun.

The other thing you have to remember is that people are still designing.

[zanthar]

These are suggestions and personal observations of mine and are not meant to bash! From what I read from your first post Did you ask for help? It didn't sound like it at all. This game is pretty complex even at low levels with the ability to edit your own actions so help is needed from more experienced players. And for the part where you got upset that you needed a group. Sorry but most MMO's try to push that! Hence the Massive Multiplayer part of MMORPG! If groups were not needed them you might as well play a single player game! If you think this game is heavy on grouping try looking into D&D online after you get through the tutorial part of the game it is almost all group based! And with this game being just a grind please tell me a MMO out there that you don't have to grind to lvl? It's the getting together with other players that makes lvling fun and not soo much of a grind and BTW I myself only can play like 2-3 hrs a day so from that perspective it sounds to me like you wanted it all now. Sorry these games don't happen that way or what's the point?

[zanthar]

And try what raynes said design your own scenario and get other players involved in it!