Time has come...

[marct]

Pretty sure they'd want some kind of agreement from Nexus before they do that

Hey, you too. No speaking for us.

Now if you wanted to say: 'If I were in their shoes, I would like some kind of agreement from Nexus before releasing the OP to them' that is a different story.

[vguerin]

That is a very generous offer IMHO.

If you are truly serious about that, then the answer is simple. Don't turn up to defend the OP and let it go back to Tryker hands. Let Nexus win without a fight.

Why should the Trykers in our guilds not be able to gain from owning this OP. We are not racially allied, the servants of Jena come from all nations and our fellow Trykers would suffer a loss by the alliance losing one of their OP's.

Not defending this OP aggressively would mean the Trykers following Jena in our alliance will lose access to materials from their lands and would be unfair. We must rally as an alliance to ensure that ALL Trykers have access, not just the ones following Tryker only political ties.

[sprite]

Hey, you too. No speaking for us.

Now if you wanted to say: 'If I were in their shoes, I would like some kind of agreement from Nexus before releasing the OP to them' that is a different story.

lol Sorry if it sounded like I was doing that, I fully meant that it was only my opinion

[danolt]

Many of the crystals AA hands out to the other Tryker guilds come from the KA. Before we joined the Karavan Forum (which is a much better description of what we are about) we looked to other Tryker guilds for trade. We did not have much look, for example Evo wanted 30 supreme boss mats that had at least one major quality maxed out, per stack. We found only one Tryker guild that would trade with anything close to a fair deal, based on time to get the trade resource and the XP bonus of the crystals. I would name them, but I am sure they would be attacked by these "Tryker" guilds for doing it.

Meanwhile the Karavan appreciated the work AA did in order to make outposts a reality. For those that dont know, the outpost were given as a reward from the factions to those who built the temples. Many guilds who did a majority of the work were shut out of the "first to log in on a business day" outpost contest. The Karavan Matis recognized this disparity and immediately begun to give AA part of the rewards from Jena.

OV has always been open minded about discussions to leave Loria and it is a subject I bring up often. They are naturally hesitant to go but they have never been angered by the subject being broached.

I personally see no difference in the races, we have common concerns, common goals. The contest is one of ideology, do we want to change and become symbiotic to Atys and hope to keep the dragon asleep or do we master resources and get out of here before the dragon awakens.

Finally, the group declaring on OV, preferred a dormant Tryker outpost to having one in AA's possession. These Trykers are not about freedom they want power and they do not want to share it.

Pero

[putterix]

Why should the Trykers in our guilds not be able to gain from owning this OP. We are not racially allied, the servants of Jena come from all nations and our fellow Trykers would suffer a loss by the alliance losing one of their OP's.

Not defending this OP aggressively would mean the Trykers following Jena in our alliance will lose access to materials from their lands and would be unfair. We must rally as an alliance to ensure that ALL Trykers have access, not just the ones following Tryker only political ties.

If im correct, u cant be a trykercitizen if you are in a matis guild.

And imo, alliances are bad for all homins, alliances only force homins to do
what the other allied decide. For me freedom is important, i have to choose
myself what i want to do, not what other guilds tells me to do.

[philu]

heh, I think thats a little forward & inappropriate. I dont see why OmegaV should have to give up their OP straight away to prove they have good intentions, especially to a guild which uses such excuses to make an attack.

I think it was a showing of willingness to start discussing the posiblility.

ty jayce, as i said in my original post.... its just something to think about... for future reference, when things are more settled... much work is still yet to be done!

If you are genuine in your desire to give to all Karavan guilds and pass the OP to a Tryker Karavan guild, why is it too soon? If this is truly your desire, surely it can't be too soon, this is the ideal opportunity.

Why should the Trykers in our guilds not be able to gain from owning this OP. We are not racially allied, the servants of Jena come from all nations and our fellow Trykers would suffer a loss by the alliance losing one of their OP's.

Not defending this OP aggressively would mean the Trykers following Jena in our alliance will lose access to materials from their lands and would be unfair. We must rally as an alliance to ensure that ALL Trykers have access, not just the ones following Tryker only political ties.

So are you saying you don't support OmegaV in their assertion that they will give the OP up to a Tryker karavan guild? Why would your Trykers lose access? If you have traded as freely as you say, then why wouldn't the new owners be prepared to do the same with you? After all you will have GIVEN them the OP, common decency would suggest they trade freely with you.

[sprite]

common decency would suggest they trade freely with you.

Common decency would suggest they would not attack someone who has defended them

[putterix]

P.S. Just wondering if Order of the Dragonblades is next then? Or is this really just against OV?

hmm, arent they Neutral? i dont know what citizenship they got,
but if they are other than Neutral or Tryker, their OP in trykerlands
sure gonna switch owner in future

[arfindel]

Many of the crystals AA hands out to the other Tryker guilds come from the KA. Before we joined the Karavan Forum (which is a much better description of what we are about) we looked to other Tryker guilds for trade. [...]Pero

I am here to witness, that at the same time you were highly complainign on the forums that the tryker guilds are not 'sharing' Evo, RRA, Nexus, even guilds that had no OP, like Darkmoor Rangers, not only shared with us (who were a newbie guild at the time) but came with full hands to give us whatever we needed while we never asked them anything and while we have always tried to give something in return for their generosity.

I am here to witness that reading and hearing your complains I looked around and easily seen you were the only ones complaining. Sharing and trade in the last 4 months we've been living on Trykoth worked perfectly well among trykers. Your Matis allies might have sincerely thought in all this time that you needed help because the other tryker guilds were not helpful.

From my own experience that I think it's a duty to publicly acknowledge, I suggest you find another reason(s) for having a different treatment.

[aude03]

I appologize to those who feel acosted by us in any way as far as trading is concerned for the gifts of the Op's but i must ask, have you asked to trade with us ? we are more than willing to trade with the karavan, even outside the KA... .

we did...

for more info, talk to Spiff or read the "second letter to Fairhaven", by Pero