ATS Patch: Outposts & Fame System

[totnkopf]

dedication to a side makes a person make some sacrifices. Just because a char is neutral doesn't mean that they shouldn't also have to make some. You can't TP into the PR region. Granted that makes some regions hard to get, but its far from impossible. As Chrono pointed out, you can always TP into the nexus and walk into EF, Ichor, etc. Annoying, yes, but not impossible.

After all, a person who is unwilling to commit to either side is essentially useless in the eyes of the kami/karavan, so why would they be bothered to let you use their altars, especially when those altars might give that char access to supreme mats that could go to those who dedicated themselves to a side. Being neutral isn't supposed to be a free ride that gets the perks of both sides. Its meant to be a challenge, especially in a world that is practically controlled by the kami and karavan (its them who rez you when you die, they teleport you around, the control the tolerance on the land). At the moment, there is little difference between a guy who can't be bothered to work fame or just hasn't got around to picking a side and someone whos a devout pacificst and proclaims himself neutral. Just be glad that Nevrax didn't make ALL tps off limits (after all they do belong to the kami/karavan, so using them might actually call your neutrality into question)

so, yea, I like the ideas and concepts that they've implemented. Everyone now makes some sacrifices. Being neutral is no longer just the path everyone picks because they want the best of both worlds. Now, no matter what path you choose, you make a sacrifice in someway. Being neutral removes you from the massive religious war, maintaining the pacifism that some so strongly seek, but it comes at the cost of making certain regions harder to get to (not impossible, just harder. Hey, mounts might actually be used now!)

[xenofur]

First off, the Kami/Karavan teleporters are rarely in an actively aggro zone ... and in that case, why not just cut off all the teleporters for neutrals ? . It makes no sense for them to allow neutrals to get tickets to the Nexus minor but not to the Prime Roots, since both regions hold supreme mats and both regions are "of the most dangerous regions of Atys" (and yes, nexus is only up to Q200, but then, so are Lands of Umbra ... ).

because the other regions belong to the races, nexus for example is part of matis and i'm pretty sure the kami/karavan will want to keep the leaders of the countries happy. in the roots they can get away with it, because these belong to noone.

btw, i'll have to make sacrifices too, i'm a kami fyros and to me, due to my circumstances, some regions of tryker are excellent leveling grounds(plants + jewels). will be quite difficult to get there with the low amount of kami teleporters around.

[rdfall]

If you still want those supreme materials as a neutral, you can always support either side by paying them for the mats
Besides, in pvp the equipment is 50% of the battle right? Logic sais the kami or karavan would only care about their faction concerning high level materials, but not realy about the lower level ones, so still allow the neutrals to port in lower regions.

The supreme oil near the karavan LoC TP will be hard to reach for kami people too. There are serious disadvantages to being kami/karavan, it's only natural that neutrals should have some kind of disadvantage too. Realy, Nevrax thought this through before they designed this change, everyone will pay, neutrals too.

[mrozzy]

Why not look at it from another point of view:

If neutral players can take any tp in the roots, prime roots harvesters will be forced into neutrality in order to make sure you'll have access to all your harvest area's. So basicly those players won't be able to enjoy the new content if they want to keep digging.
If you ask me, restricting neutral players' access to the roots is a good thing. You don't want to ruin things for lots of players because a minority of the community complains a bit.

The roots are dangerous and will get even more dangerous after the patch. They probly will be the most fought over area's in the game. There are for example just a few spots where supreme q250 Zun amber is located. If you control those area's you have a significant advantage over the others since Zun is one of the key components to 95+ amps on both heal and elemental magic.


There is something strange about all the complaining about pvp and fvf. A lot of updates in the past made life on Atys a lot harder. Some updates even nerfed a few things bigtime, still I didn't see many people complaining about it. Now when it involves pvp in stead of pve, the whining starts .. strange.

Let me give an example: About a year ago, supreme materials were pretty common. You were able to get tons of harvest xp pretty easely (you could dig upto q50 above your harvest level, recieving 3k xp on every source), there were no restrictions to the supreme sources, they had an infinite number of materials, adding to that your success rate of your harvesting was determined by your highest harvest level in any area. So you could dig q200 materials in the roots beeing only lvl 50 in prime root harvesting.
The Devs temporary solved this by adding "guards" near the portals. Not even a full team could kill them back then since we all were pretty low level.
At that time nobody complained about it, still the roots were pretty much impossible to go to without getting tons of dp. So why are people complaining now??

[ncrijns]

The effects this will have to be quite clear though.

GoC in Matis will become more empty. Altho will still be one of the more busy areas. Kami or Karavan dedicated only tho.

Flaming Forest will become filled by Kami person types and Neutral person types as there isn't a Karavan one somewhere close. Scorched Corridor will become the domain of the Fyros Kami only. As the exit out of Windy Gate is blocked by a tribe of aggressive bandit person types.

Void will see some Karavan and Kami presence, once the teleports are unlocked. And Neutrals keep using the HoP teleport. Not much changing there, infact this will become the hotspot for hunting team I think.

Loria remain the same, as people already just are using the death teleport way to get in, the Kamis and Karavan will be somewhat happy they can unlock the teleport (I'm not sure where these are), the Neutrals will keep using the death tp way and be jealous of the Kamis and Karavan. Loria might even become a much busier place for foragers.

PR will be dead. Save for the odd Karavan or Kami forager.

Supreme gear will thusly become not only very hard to come by, people will start to whine about who gets to kill the supreme mobs as they will be the only "reliable" source above ground.

White and black gear will become alot less available. As less people will dig in PR.

All in all the changes will make it interesting I gues.. but it doesn't make me a very happy Tryker.

[sprite]

Scorched Corridor will become the domain of the Fyros Kami only. As the exit out of Windy Gate is blocked by a tribe of aggressive bandit person types.

There's a Karavan TP in Corridor. And its not right next to those agressive bandits types you mentioned, its next to high level herbs instead

[totnkopf]

The effects this will have to be quite clear though.

some of those effects will be felt, of course, however, thats assuming that a large portion of the players are neutral. I don't think thats true. I think that a lot of the players will actually pick a side, while a minority of the players will remain neutral. That being said, the effects you mention will be a lot less severe. GoC will still be very busy. PR will still have people leveling in it. there will just a be a few people who can't be bothered to make a hike to them.

[rdfall]

I think we'll see many new PR diggers, KT in Elusive forest will for example be better if neutrals will go there less, sources will be more likely to still contain mats, I tried to dig in EF for a while, gave it up after 30 levels because of KT and empty sources.

[blaah]

I think we'll see many new PR diggers, KT in Elusive forest will for example be better if neutrals will go there less, sources will be more likely to still contain mats, I tried to dig in EF for a while, gave it up after 30 levels because of KT and empty sources.

Elusive Forest as in Lands of Umbra Elusive Forest, q200 PvP PR zone ?
sry, just cant imagine empty KamiTolerance there
sup (74mats) and excellent (140? mats) sources will be empty anyway, dig choice as long as weather allows.

I think that a lot of the players will actually pick a side, while a minority of the players will remain neutral.

i will probably _NEED_ to pick a side too (Kami or Kara), not because i want to, not because i belive in their "cause", it's just so i can get access to their tp's.

[xenofur]

i think this will show how much the neutrality of some people is worth