Why should pacifists get rewards?

[thosholm]

Read his biographies, some of which were already written in his lifetime.

[tylarth]

Also please remember that no one has actually died in this war, nor will do as long as the powers ressurect you, of course the powers may get fussy with ressurection of those not commited to the cause. So as none can die, it is a war of resources and conversion, to deny the enemy the means to exert they're influence. The temple construction is a strenghtening of their war aims, one cannot be a pacifist and support a war by gaining 'honour' from that faction, as by doing so you are supporting the war effort.

[thosholm]

...nor will do as long as the powers ressurect you..

It is not the Karawan that resurrects you. It is not the Kami that resurrects you. It is the gracious power of Atys itself that does so.

And it is very easily proven: all services offered to hominkind by Karawan and Kami alike are paid in dapper and quite expensively so. For spiritual saviours they are very shrewd merchants, my fishmonger would embrace their business acumen.

Resurrection is free, costs you no dapper, only some effort or time.

[grimjim]

it lacks plausibility for you, as i have pointed out in other posts, that you choose not to comment on (instead picking on easier subjects to 'win' points on). There has been a history of conflict, a basis of hate, the build up was logical and quite sufficient. You will not get all the answers and reasons why certain factions or parties do something as those are plots for later, to continue plausibility and consistancy.

Within recent history, that is not the case. The few confrontational events that there have been do not justify a knock-down, drag-out war. The build up has been insufficient and illogical, the portrayal of the leaders does not match their lore and the sudden switch to war is jarring and incongruous.

I can start citing chapter and verse if you really, really require it.

Honour points is merely a recognition of a faction measuring you efforts in war to their side, that is all it is, it is no general concept of honour, it is just a name, like experience points or fame rating. To get hung up on the name of a game mechanic is quite odd.

You choose a name to reflect something about what it stands for. Experience points implies gained experience and knowledge, accumulated knowledge as time passes or through practice. Fame, again, has implications - not necessarily followed through in the game mechanics terribly well, but its a measure of popularity and notoriety.

Honour has its own connotations and if it wasn't meant to carry those connotations then it should be called something like 'favour'. If its JUST a name then they may as well have called in 'monkey turds' or something.

[grimjim]

Also please remember that no one has actually died in this war, nor will do as long as the powers ressurect you, of course the powers may get fussy with ressurection of those not commited to the cause. So as none can die, it is a war of resources and conversion, to deny the enemy the means to exert they're influence. The temple construction is a strenghtening of their war aims, one cannot be a pacifist and support a war by gaining 'honour' from that faction, as by doing so you are supporting the war effort.

Ensuring both sides stay equal and that these centres of learning are available to all homin.

[totnkopf]

It is not the Karawan that resurrects you. It is not the Kami that resurrects you. It is the gracious power of Atys itself that does so.

From How to Come Back to Life

Sooner or later, the outcome of a fight will be the death of your character. On Atys, death does not mean the end, however. The Kami and the Karavan have the power to bring the dead back to life.

[grimjim]

From How to Come Back to Life

Or so they say...

[totnkopf]

Or so they say...

I think the fact that we're limited to the respawn points of the faction we follow is a pretty good indicator of that. If we weren't limited by either faction, then we could respawn in any city we cared to.

[tylarth]

The teaching will be that of war... To further the aims of their campaigns, when victorious then they will be places of peaceful leaning.

From a faction point of view, thwarting the opponant, and supporting the cause, they consider honourable, after all it is the factions who are granting it, and thus pretty irrelevant to homin perceptions of what it is meant to represent.

The background of the factions state a mutual opposition, homins are divided in faith from their upbringing, tribes support one or other. In order to further their aims and their relation to homins the faction require the exclusion of the other.
Total exclusion is extermination/exile. With this basis the karavan/jena sought a suprise attack on Ma Duk/Kami, forwarned by the guild of elias. The with no element of suprise but intention clear the path of war was set. What followed was reactions, statements and affirmations. Which left no player who have vaguely been following the story that war was coming.

As far as the leaders reactions and personal relationships are concerned i refer you to the comments i made in this thread: http://ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t ... ge=1&pp=10

[grimjim]

Well, you asked for it.
Analysis coming as soon as I get time.