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sander66 wrote:yup ... war is war without or with dp it keeps funny
if you don't want to vget killed or dp you better can't come there...

Do I even need to say it at this point?

grimjim wrote:Do I even need to say it at this point?

do what u like do to... i'll do it to

ajsuk wrote:Everybodys DPed up to the eyeballs anyway.
And it's war, people will use whats available to them.

I have no problem whatsoever getting DP in that zone, it's going to happen..

For the record, I don't condone the training of aggro mobs to other players regardless of faction. Players doing that are losing my respect both IC and OOC. Using and pulling kinchers 'on purpose' (accidents may happen or unexpected pops or etc.) has only one goal, to inflate your ego. Those are cheap and lame tactics. Stating that it is "using the environment" is not neither a valid or acceptable argument. Stating "the Kami/Karavan do it too" does not justify that auction, and I will be accusing individuals, not factions. Regardless of the meaning of "honor" in game, there is no honor in fighting like that. Show that you are skilled/powerful/organized/higher level/better geared/whatever. There is a reason why dying because of nuking does not cause DP and by environment does. By doing that you are *actively* griefing another player, slowing his progression and precisely giving a bad name to PvP. I have been stacking DP "naturally" and I don't mind.

I don't care wether it is stated or not and I don't care if GMs/Guides do something about it or not. I consider aggro training as harassment and breaking the Code Of Conduct. If a player behaves badly, it is our obligation to report it and to denounce it in region.

Disapproving this 'strategy',

iphdrunk wrote:For the record, I don't condone the training of aggro mobs to other players regardless of faction. Players doing that are losing my respect both IC and OOC. Using and pulling kinchers 'on purpose' (accidents may happen or unexpected pops or etc.) has only one goal, to inflate your ego. Those are cheap and lame tactics. Stating that it is "using the environment" is not neither a valid or acceptable argument. Stating "the Kami/Karavan do it too" does not justify that auction, and I will be accusing individuals, not factions. Regardless of the meaning of "honor" in game, there is no honor in fighting like that. Show that you are skilled/powerful/organized/higher level/better geared/whatever. There is a reason why dying because of nuking does not cause DP and by environment does. By doing that you are *actively* griefing another player, slowing his progression and precisely giving a bad name to PvP. I have been stacking DP "naturally" and I don't mind.

I don't care wether it is stated or not and I don't care if GMs/Guides do something about it or not. I consider aggro training as harassment and breaking the Code Of Conduct. If a player behaves badly, it is our obligation to report it and to denounce it in region.

Disapproving this 'strategy',

well running with agro isn't a good option..
but if ya run and get killed by kami and they are 50m of you they will get the agro anywayz so it isn't my fault if they get agro on them then.

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sander66 wrote:do what u like do to... i'll do it to

I can't.
You can.
And you can MAKE me do something I don't want to do.

Is any of this getting through?

sander66 wrote:well running with agro isn't a good option..
but if ya run and get killed by kami and they are 50m of you they will get the agro anywayz so.

that falls into the category of "not on purpose". I know the line is blurry, it is up to each player to know how is behaving.

grimjim wrote:I can't.
You can.
And you can MAKE me do something I don't want to do.

Is any of this getting through?

humm well ...
i can .. but why you can't..?
i just saw you killing kara plls to.. so.. and i don't wanna MAKE you to do something that you don't like.. its your own choice ...

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sander66 wrote:humm well ...
i can .. but why you can't..?
i just saw you killing kara plls to.. so..

If I want to participate in the event and stay true to my character's mercenary and gloryseeking nature I HAVE to participate. I have no choice. If there were glory for slaying Kitin I would do my damndest not to touch another homin save the worst war criminals (And ganking ****wits) I've seen.

If I had the means I'd probably be jobbing some of my own side for their behaviour as well, but I don't.

I do, however, only fight defensively. Do not attack healers (unless they're perpetuating an immediate fight) or diggers.

I'm really hoping Evo's idea works out.

grimjim wrote:I do, however, only fight defensively. Do not attack healers (unless they're perpetuating an immediate fight) or diggers.

I'm really hoping Evo's idea works out.

how do you know its a healer or fighter when they didn't heal yet...
i see lots of healers with a other title when u geth with healing...
and nukers can just put a title of a healer on at that way to don't get killed.

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sander66 wrote:how do you know its a healer or fighter when they didn't heal yet...
i see lots of healers with a other title when u geth with healing...
and nukers can just put a title of a healer on at that way to don't get killed.

Healing effects have blue spinglies, nuke effects are also visually obvious, as is the context of situation.

Its not Karavan science.