Nevrax need to Push Ryzom more.....

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grimjim wrote: a**hole
Besides being a word that seems likely to the business, it ilustrates the image quite well and in a truely manner. If are wondering whats this about, think of the portraits of both csr/people you do business with and players/customers that is given here. It kinda fits the whole thing i guess :p

But that is not the truth, at least for me, i like this game and will pity it being lost, if that was to happen. As of this picture, and the thread topic, my belief is the future introductions will add something that is not commun on the industry. If they got enough to pull the changes planned its a fine setting... then the adventure comes.

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Just read this post in response to

"Try to find out all possible routes from point A to point B without having to kill a mob."
vutescu wrote:we already have those routes

Oh, how I laughed! :D You have explored everywhere in Atys and found safe routes everywhere through the PR AND down through the Maze to the south of Matis lands!? That is very impressive! :D And you found all the possible ways of doing it too? Incredible! You must be the most fantastic player ever in the history of Ryzom, beyond a shadow of a doubt! I don't believe that I could do that even if I organised a team of hundreds to attempt that task, especially considering that the movement of the mobs through the seasons would mean that I would have to confirm each route 4 times just to make sure it was ok! And then stay there for a year in each position to make sure a patrol didn't pass that way! But to do it by yourselves? Wow, I'm just stunned. I guess you just have no reason to continue, seeing you appear to have done everything and been everywhere. :D

Methinks a rethink might be in order....
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glipe wrote:Oh, how I laughed!
I'm glad I've offered you a good laugh.
My bad again. I was referring only at Fyros land (where I play atm, even I have TP's for PR, Zora, Tryker) I see no reason in wenturing in other places alone just to increase the dp. In case you've missed the whole thing, I was talking at what can a player do ALONE without team support and without involving comunity/social thingie.

Wenturing in an area like PR where are mobs way higher than my char are, it seems more like idiotic than wise. Anyway, my routes of interest are already set, but only in the areas I need. As long I dont want to involve a team in exploration, i see no reason to do it alone. Are ingame high level players who will gladly will share their knowledge. Like Jyudas is about to do with his exploration trip.
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grimjim wrote:Sometimes the a**hole customer isn't worth keeping.

No matter how much money they represent.

Well, Jyudas, sometimes you have to take in consideration the possible damage "the a**hole customer" can do to your company and act acordingly. And besides that, not some unnamed CSR is making monetary policy in a company. Is done by the managers. And as long as company will suffer predjudices because of a bad attidude of a CSR member, what do you think will be the next step? Warmly hug the staff member? No way, mate. Firing the member and prejudice payments to "the a**hole customer" will be the line.
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vutescu wrote:I'm glad I've offered you a good laugh.
My bad again. I was referring only at Fyros land (where I play atm, even I have TP's for PR, Zora, Tryker) I see no reason in wenturing in other places alone just to increase the dp. In case you've missed the whole thing, I was talking at what can a player do ALONE without team support and without involving comunity/social thingie.

Wenturing in an area like PR where are mobs way higher than my char are, it seems more like idiotic than wise. Anyway, my routes of interest are already set, but only in the areas I need. As long I dont want to involve a team in exploration, i see no reason to do it alone. Are ingame high level players who will gladly will share their knowledge. Like Jyudas is about to do with his exploration trip.

That's fair enough, if that's what you're into. I'm an explorer (/points at his signature) and for me it's an integral part of the game to get to places that other people think are unreachable. The Prime Roots are a prime (oh dear) example of this. Observing the mobs, tracking their paths, using the seasonal changes and finally figuring out a route to get to your destination without dying is a challenge worthy of the best players. And this is from a player who has no levels above 100. If a monster sees me down there, it kills me. Sure, I could do it in a big group but that spoils the fun! Like fishing with dynamite; it has it's own fun but that doesn't mean it's more fun than fishing with a rod. Well, actually, thinking about it, fishing with dynamite is probably hella fun! But that's not the point! Think up another example and use that. I'm not going to! *sulks* :o
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vutescu wrote:I'm really sick of this. You (Kostika and others) just cannot make the difference between the cusomer rights (and are laws that protect those) and common curtesy.

A customer can be rude and unpolite and whatever he likes as long as he is paying. As long he IS customer - and he holds this title because he payed an amount of money for a service or a product - his rights are the object of international law. And are also protected by it.
I know Kostika is some kind of custom support. Me the same.
Let me tell you something. If you trouble the company for just one hour then you are no customer but a losing bargain. This is cause we supporters do not earn just 13 Euro/U$ per hour. We earn much more. That easy it is !!
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What this game really needs is content plain and simple. People leave the game at a fast rate becuase the only thing to really do in game is level.

There are no quests (just a few encylopedia missions that amount to nothing more than beefed up common tasks). There is no storyline in game. There is no real way for the player to change the game world. In short the game needs to add some meat before people will get interested and stay.
I now have read those arguments many times. But can anyone name a game with those heavenly features ? Guess not, cause we all would be there and happy. Or are we already there ?? (Still curious why Samsara is named "The Samsara" ?)

Missions ? Please go and play a char in warcraft and come back in 2 month and tell me if you still want missions in SoR. Missions are the hell on earth !! One day a MMO introduced "missions" since then its part of every featurelist. There are still games without missions...

Storyline ? We have a storyline. But even when someone posts here a link to a specific point in the game lore where you can find facts of the Atysian history other people start to discuss this topic two days later again. You just have to accept the given storyline ! The pages on ryzom.com are written by the DEVs. Its not just text, it is the story of the past and the present. And if you want to add both you can sense a pointer to the future.

Player can not impact world ? One word on this: Haddo !! This man changed Atys quite a lot. Think about this !! (anyway: Tnx Haddo you made a old diggerheart singing in the roots rain :D ).

One agreement at the end. Ryzoms skilltrees are hard grind. I would be happy if i just could go out and dig. This is grind enough. But i also have to defend myself. It would be great for my role if i could buy some elemental skills from foraging SP. Not from the start but maybe from 150 on. I could even live with a spezial forager teleport which works within 0.5 sec. It hurts me a little that a peaceful role must slaughter numerous plants and animals to reach an appropriate level of selfdefence :( . But this is my problem, cause its my role.
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vutescu wrote:A customer can be rude and unpolite and whatever he likes as long as he is paying. As long he IS customer - and he holds this title because he payed an amount of money for a service or a product - his rights are the object of international law. And are also protected by it.
Actually, in some countries this behavior gives the one offering the service a legal right to refuse the customer.

On a similar note read the EULA and CoC in online games (and elsewhere), notice they have a ban/termination clause on bad/abuse behavior.
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magick1 wrote:Actually, in some countries this behavior gives the one offering the service a legal right to refuse the customer.

On a similar note read the EULA and CoC in online games (and elsewhere), notice they have a ban/termination clause on bad/abuse behavior.

That doesnt mean it is to be used lightly, for the company's sake at least... Anayway, i wasnt saying the customer has the right to be offensive, instead i was just saying that CSR people "usually" blacklist customers that have that behaviour and most of the times both of the sides are pulling in the same = solving a problem (which should be the company's main interest)...

I am NOT saying this happens in SoR, at least with me all was very polite and frindly, was just talking in general terms... Anyways, this thread was trying to discuss what could be done, and CSR is not a problem in SoR, its actually one of its strong points. As for solutions, think right now is just a time we have to "hang in there", till changes are introduced. THEN it will be time to promote/advertise/push by force/kidnapping/raping/lobotomize to get the pops we need.
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magick1 wrote:Actually, in some countries this behavior gives the one offering the service a legal right to refuse the customer.

On a similar note read the EULA and CoC in online games (and elsewhere), notice they have a ban/termination clause on bad/abuse behavior.

Exactly, most companies offering help services (servicedesks) have a policy : when the customer is getting rude you reply with this:" Dear Sir, Madam if you wl not calm down and have a normal respectfull conversation i will and am allowed to put down the phione and will not help you" thats the official compan lines. I have started as CSR and then worked my way up to being a Sysadmin

I actually found besides al the normal rules and regulations about companies/cutomers and behaviour, the type of customer that picks up the phone with yelling and swearing and making it impossible for the CSR person the be helpfull( by for example fighting everything the CSR says as sollution just because they want to let out their frustration) is a specific type of customer, usually the problem the person has derives from not reading the manual and service conditions, demanding services simply not covered by CSR and usually harassing the CSR's phone lines taking up precious time good intended customers could be helped.

It is a type of customer any company rahter looses then gains, they will not be helped, they will not do or try offered sullutions, after handling them for longer periods its clear theres actually not a single satisfying way to deal with that person, al of that takes a lot and a lot of time, time in which good customers can be helped into satisfaction, these types of customers take a lot of extra effort, like for instance the demanding and arranging for the manager to personally speak to them to set them right, day 1, day 2 and the rest of the 3 month period the customer is griefing the company. I dont need to spel out the times people wait in line to be helped, time the negative type customer is taking and holding the line for requests to talk to the manager and being tried to be calmed down by the CSR before any service can even be started to be given.

This cost an amount of money thats is absolutely not covered by their purchased product, also isnt covered by CSR conditions, after al a CS is a place to get practical help, if you want emotional help or therapy, theres different organizations to turn to.

A paying cutomer has no right to bad behavoir as there are rules companies must follow, so are there rules a customer must follow, like allowing a comnpany to set the error right in a given period of time, among that is letting yourself be helped. Breaking rules of normal decent human behaviour makes this hard to imposible, refusing al sollutions given and doing nothing but yelling swering, harassing and damanding out of service covered things is breaking this rule the customer has to follow.

Also i think it is impossible on current laws for a company to pay people to be treaten badly in that way, as there are laws that protect employees against emotional harassment from customers and executives.

to make it short, the type of customer that behaves badly is usually making any practical help impossible, thats not the worst part: hes taking time other people can be helped, costs more in service as he ever made the company gain profit by that single product he even bought and in side effect is harassing human beings like you and me just doing their job to the poin where they get service desk depression: i ask you how will you justify this?

In my view its not justice that so much suffers from the egoistic aproach of one person that isnt possible to satisfy anyways.
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