It's been 2 weeks since the new tools

[knitcucumber]

In conclusion, I think this lack of players does a lot of damage to the events, per say. I realize there's not much we as a community can do about it, other than tell our friends about this cool....pretty cool....uneventful game.

Here lies the problem. Not enough people for events. So events aren't held or flop. People are unhappy about lack of events. People leave game. There are not enough people for events. Server dies. I cry.

[uncus]

...And no, UO or EQ or any other company has to deal with any unwritten law when it pertains to players in game who are guides, its a freaking title in Ryzom, unpaid players who help other players and follow rules on how they help players.

If you had ever been a guide you would know this.

Internal paid employees are what is a problem with laws, not unpaid volentary individuals with an ingame title of 'guide'

Here is what you get as a guide.
A staff and a few other items to help players.
A few extra commands to summon stuck players etc.
Your own chat channel to talk to other guides.
And alot of stand around and answer questions days.

xxxxxxx

This is not rocket science, nothing to do with laws, they just give you a power account to perform actions in game.

Everyone keeps blowing what a guide is out of perportion and staiting law this law that, but not 1, not a single person, can show documented proof of a law in existance, that states how guides are.

You can blob about hot cofee all you want, until they server hot cofee to us, it has no bearing.

Yes, this IS [well, may be] something to do with laws!
If they give you the power to do something - portal stuck people, for example - and you instead use it to portal people away from your favorite PR harvesting spot - THEY ARE LIABLE! They can be sued for your actions since you are an agent of their company.

Personally, I think the lower US player base is more the reason, but there are legal issues here, too.

***No, I cannot give you the cases that the law is based on, or the law code for any particular state, but anyone who has ever taken a business law class can verify that it is true!

[zumwalt]

It would be nice if someone other than myself were ever a part of the Guide program of another mmo to help explain this for individuals here.

So far, no one here, other than myself, have been a guide in another mmo and been through the paperwork to become a guide, which to me seems odd with the number of people talking about all the hours and such they put into mmo's.

Read this games EULA, they are not liable for anything, it states it in black and white in the EULA, they can pwhipe everyone on a whim and not care, because you can't sue them, again this fact is that they own the charcters in game, not you.

You purchased the right to play the game.
The GUIDES go by strict guidlelines, everying they do is recorded, every key stroke they make is recorded, if they step out of line and are petitioned and the recorded information backs the petitioner, the guide is stripped from power and banned.

The only thing that will happen to the player that got ganked in your definition basically, by the guide, is that the player will get his stuff back or put back or whatever, and the guide will then hence forth not have an account.

You can't sue them.

Read the Legal statement.

This really isn't as hard to figure out, or put much thought into as people seem to be doing.

A Guide is not an Agent of the company, players are guides on a daily basis helping others, helping the company, its just a rank title thing in game and a few more powers to do more helping. Nothing more.

I was accountable for 4 quests a week, and so many hours a week online visible and helping people in groups so that I could keep my status as a guide.

Guide are not allow to state there character names or the server in which there on, thats part of the nds, no one can know in game who you are, and your play server couldn't under any circumstances be the same as your guide server.

Again, just a few of the rules.
I had a spreadsheet I had to fill out on stuff I did and submit that within 24 hours of my shift.

I didn't get paid for any of this, I just enjoyed doing it, more than I enjoyed playing.

Making someone elses play time online more enjoyable by helping them fix something was more rewarding than killing dragon x.

Guides are needed to make a game succeed.
Without them, the game goes limp.

[sprite]

Everyone keeps blowing what a guide is out of perportion and staiting law this law that, but not 1, not a single person, can show documented proof of a law in existance, that states how guides are.

Were you even listening to what Cerest said?

[systemv]

Has anyone read the recap(wow recaps, what a great idea @_@) of the Jena commandments event on the Euro server?

It's located here: http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12305

An assasin storms the event and the players chase him to the arena. The Kami come to the aid of the assasin and there's a PvP fight.

Is that an example of the new tools available? I'm now even more jealous -.-

[borg9]

Has anyone read the recap(wow recaps, what a great idea @_@) of the Jena commandments event on the Euro server?

It's located here: http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12305

An assasin storms the event and the players chase him to the arena. The Kami come to the aid of the assasin and there's a PvP fight.

Is that an example of the new tools available? I'm now even more jealous -.-

This was player & guide co-operation. The Event team (I guess applies to all servers) provide support to the players.

If your worried about a lack of 'activity' ..... talk to the Event team and do something.

Events don't have to be complex, don't have to have many hours in the planning ..... they need two elements to make them work:

1. They have to be fun.
2. They should aim to get as many people involved as posible.

One even spawns the next.

See the Miss Atys thread for example:

Only cost to Mikelaw is his time in pulling the whole thing together.
The prize has the potential to be tremendous (50+ million dappers).
The entrants can be as imaganitive as they like, one Tryker lady I know is putting together a portfolio ..... this is an example of one idea spawning another.

Be inspired, just do something

What is the worst that can happen: a little wasted time.

[zumwalt]

From Spite: Were you even listening to what Cerest said?

I saw what she wrote, but you see, I have been through the ropes of becoming a guide, done the nondisclosures, seen all the rules regarding guides in mmo's (eq wasn't the only place I was a guide, and the paperwork was pretty much the same generic stuff).

So it didn't matter much to me. Simply because I have lived it, been there, and done it.

Stating that there are laws, when there frankly are no laws, won't make the law happen.

You see, the scoop here, is that this company might treat guides like internal employees, not volentary, meaning that they have to fill out applications that are like work applications, deal with I-9 or W-2's etc.

Which would be the ONLY way that legal matters come into play.

Let me explain this in more lamens terms, so that it is simplified a bit.
The guide programs that I was a part in, in other mmo's, were all considered 3'rd party entities empowered to assist the players.

This is standard guide practices.

The 'Company' creates a kind of liazon group that is given certain rights / privilages to assist the 'Company', the 'Company' witholds the right to rebuke those privilages at any time if the liazon group screws up.

This liazon group is the guide group, they have an appointed 'Leader' of the group or boss per say, those have assistants, then there is the pyramid of guide levels under them.

Each level has certain roles they take to assist the company, none of the levels are internal employees of the company.

The company can terminate the liazon powers at any time if they are abused in any fassion that does not suite the company's needs.

There are no ramifications for the termination, the liazon group or guide group can not ask for funds of any kind from the company.

One of the duties of the Leader is to give daily reports of guide activity to the company for review.

The duties of the Leaders assistants is to follow up with all the guides to make sure there performing there guide duties.

The company has tools to track all of these guides, including there logs, there movement, there keystrokes, there special ingame abilities, etc.

The company already in the EULA has removed themself from liability of any action in game that would result in a lawsuite.

This is just the basic ruleset, I could go into extremem detail of each level in the guide organization, but I think Spite, this should be enough to satisfy why I don't believe what Cerest has said to be true, because there are no legal issues to having guides, atleast none if they are not actually internal employees to the company.

And like I said, the only way it would be a legal issue, as stated by Cerest, is IF the guides were in fact, internal employees of the company, through normal hiring mechanisms.

Which would be idiotic of the company.

[raynes]

Has anyone read the recap(wow recaps, what a great idea @_@) of the Jena commandments event on the Euro server?

It's located here: http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12305

An assasin storms the event and the players chase him to the arena. The Kami come to the aid of the assasin and there's a PvP fight.

Is that an example of the new tools available? I'm now even more jealous -.-

All I have to say is WTF?!?!?!

If you take a look at one of my responces in the thread about the Kami celebration in Zora (http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11981) you will see that I suggested that the Karavan attack during the event. What was the responce? "Why would anyone wish for violence during a religious event".

Of course why am I suprised. Time and time again the EE server has something exciting happen, while the NA server has nothing.

[cerest]

... I don't believe what Cerest has said to be true, because there are no legal issues to having guides, atleast none if they are not actually internal employees to the company.

And like I said, the only way it would be a legal issue, as stated by Cerest, is IF the guides were in fact, internal employees of the company, through normal hiring mechanisms.

Actually, what you decribe that you were meant to do as a guide is exactly why UO was sued by their guides, and the guides won. You were required to do A, B and C, like an employee of the company. This is where the legalities come into play. Legally nobody can demand you to do A, B and C without compensating you for it. And this is the issue that we are up against in hiring guides. We would want them to do A, B, and maybe even C, but if we were to ask them to do that and they do it, then they could turn around and sue the company(and rightfully so).

Naturally we wouldn't want someone to abuse the guide program, nor do we want to relinquish all control over the guides, and this is where the conundrum lies.


And now back to the original topic...

[sx4rlet]

All I have to say is WTF?!?!?!

If you take a look at one of my responces in the thread about the Kami celebration in Zora (http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11981) you will see that I suggested that the Karavan attack during the event. What was the responce? "Why would anyone wish for violence during a religious event".

Of course why am I suprised. Time and time again the EE server has something exciting happen, while the NA server has nothing.

Raynes, please read Neun's post in this threat. It's nr. 36, 3 posts back.
As he stated there, its a player & guide co-operation.

If you want something like it, help the guides on the NA-server to organize it, instead of waiting and yelling nothing is organized. Also as Neun writes, it's not hard to organize it yourself and for examples / ideas you can look at the Aripostle-thread.