Xavier's still at it :)

[final60]

Final, I do have to disagree with you that Ryzom has a failed game stigma attached to it except in europe and a few other places , IMO it has no stigma at all because here in the states it was hardly advertised if ever so we didn't know it was even out there! Granted a few hardcore gamers found it early on from the states but those of us that aren't hardcore never knew about this wonderful game!

So with that if Ryzom is bought by a new company that can advertise here in the states and all over they very well could breath new life into this game but as you said yourself it is just my opinion

Well all i can say is. This game has been around along time now! I've been here since march '04. I saw the mistakes made, the yo yo influx of new subscribers as each new aspect of the game finally got added.

In my experience. There isn't just the Ryzom community, and then noone else knows about the game. My opinion is that, very little advertising is needed for an mmo to sustain itself. Its mostly word of mouth. It doesnt matter the amount of awards Ryzom recently won on the biggest mmo website.

Id venture to say that most of us dont just play ryzom. For example the guild I'm appart of plays upwards of 5 mmos at the same time.
We talk about mmo games collectively, and whilst for a long time I played Ryzom more then any other mmo. I can hear opinions from other communities.

For example World of warcraft. I'm sure there are alot of players here that have never played WoW, but know about its lack of maturity in its players. You hear that through the grape vine, and so people hear of ryzom as this game with the "great community", but they also see and hear when the subscriptions get stopped, they hear about what is happening in Nevrax, which reflects on their opinion on the game.

So my point is that for any game , no matter how big or small. Two years is plenty of time for word of mouth alone to bring peoples attention to Ryzom. This game has won awards from the two biggest mmo websites on the web right now. But people don't think it is worth getting into.

[zanthar]

Here's the real problem with WoW, it's created unrealistic expectations within companies AND players.

You don't need to be WoW to be successful.

Ryzom has a niche and it serves it pretty well, not as well as it would have if it had stayed the course but with a realistic plan and the right tools you can serve a niche very well.

It seemed to me that we were growing up until this point, the final blow IMO was overstretching in a last ditch attempt to satisfy the creditors.

Slow and steady wins the race, except when you have finance people badgering you.

QFE and I whole heartedly agree with Jyudas on his points! I for one don't want Ryzom to be WOW sucessful if it brings the LEET kiddies and such with it! That is one of the reasons I left SWG! While I do want to see Ryzom grow and evolve not just stagnate!

[ashling]

Quite the contrary. I am interested to see what they would have to say... if they win the bid. Till then all any of us are going to get from all three parties, known or not, is smoke and mirrors.

The goal of the buying purchasing party is make money. Lets not kid ourselves here. If that involves a paying sub, then the community staying happy is a major goal in keeping the company "Profiatble". If the end goal of the company is the coding there is NO need for a community till the coding is covertly morphed into a new project.

The 5th has almost come and gone in Paris and no word (to my knowledge) on any verdicts or delays in judgement. My guess/fear is that if we don't hear anything anytime soon, this project will probably be bought for the code, and Ryzom will be shut down without warning. Jolt contracts would either be null and void or paid off for time remaining on the contract. This is just my fear but still... no news yet.

In case you haven't seen it yet Praha

As you may already know, there was a hearing at the commerce tribunal today about the future of Nevrax. The discussion was short and went as expected.
As a number of serious take over offers had been officially presented, the court decided that we continue our activity normally until Ryzom is passed over to its new owner.

The name of the prospective buyers are still secret, however we should be able to tell you more between December the 12th and the 19th.

http://www.ryzom.com/news

[ummax]

http://www.ryzom.com/news

actualy it looks like its not being purchased for the code so yay someone sees a future in this game as ryzom (the saga that is now) well this is good news and now hopefully the code buyers will fade away and just be a bad memory

[tryzovia]

Quite the contrary. I am interested to see what they would have to say... if they win the bid. Till then all any of us are going to get from all three parties, known or not, is smoke and mirrors.

The goal of the buying purchasing party is make money. Lets not kid ourselves here. If that involves a paying sub, then the community staying happy is a major goal in keeping the company "Profiatble".

For your first paragraph ; my point was that you can't say that ryzom.org cares more about the free software word until you do the same as the free software word : come to ryzom.org and talk with us.

For the second one, I agree, if lacambre and lejade want to make money they have to keep the community happy. It's why I say that ryzom is ncesserily the center of our project. Changes are needed, because the current situation is not viable (ask to nevrax..), we think that getting Ryzom free is a good (the better?) way to ensure his future.

to unmax : the ryzom.org project his one of the "serious take over offers"

Luinil

[kiexa]

@final, then surely through the grapevine (pipe dream) an anouncement that "funcom or sega or sony had bought Ryzom code for 400,000 euro and promise that the have a 3 year long plan with X million total investment, and a dev team in Japan waiting to grab the code by the balls"....

would go down alot better than "the game is now open source, they are hoping to raise enough money through donations to buy a xeon server and pay for a dev."

extreme examples i know just pointing out the grapevine isnt dead, any anouncement (and its presentation) will be first impressions of a lot of potential new customers.

another point you raise is advertising isnt really needed, advertising is always needed in every company, word of mouth isnt enough, who hasnt heard of Pepsi, and how many 100`s of million do they spend each year on advertising and sponsorship you think they are wasting thier dapper?

[ummax]

to unmax : the ryzom.org project his one of the "serious take over offers"

I read somewhere that you had an NDA? if this is true you should not be telling me that....

lastly that is sad and i'm sorry but i dont support it until i see proof that its not going to become some crazy ******* version of ryzom which should probably not be even called that so that the ryzom game doesn't get looked upon badly

(also its ummax not that it makes any difference hehe)

anyhow at least you stopped denying its being purchased simply for the code which for THIS community is not a positive thing no matter how you slice it..

[ashling]

I read somewhere that you had an NDA? if this is true you should not be telling me that....

I'm pretty sure that it's Nevrex that can't annouce the names of the bidders and that it is perfectly fine for the bidders to say if they are or not.

[final60]

Well I'm lucky that I have hinde(?) sight.
As much as I wish it could carry on. I'm sure this game is coming to an end!

To be fair, in my opinion alot of the mistakes have come from Nevrax and their lack of funding all this time. Take them out of the equasion(?) and things might start happening. but to be honest, its been nie on 3 years now. Im so used to seeing next to nothing happen over such a period, with this game. So its just so hard for me to believe that anything will happen, that will move it forward on its intended path, in the future.

Really, I was right about outposts, and the ring. Both were highly publicised additions to the game. Neither did anything for the game, in terms of bringing in new subscriptions.

(Outposts became stagnant , and were content for established guilds to PvP over. The ring was..the RING.. oh dear. Well proof of its failure is in the scenario listing all these months on.)

I'm no longer biased in Ryzoms favour. This game will continue to fail. I hate that I'm so sure of that, as it's about the best of the mo's I've played. But I would bet my left kidney that this time next year, there will no longer be a ryzom as it is today.

Love you

[tryzovia]

Well I have no NDA, and it's a logical deduction :
As "number of serious take over offers had been officially presented" , as had presented an offer that we hope can compete with the others, we must be one of those serious take over.

Why do you want me to stop deny somthing false?
We don't want to purchase the code, we wan't to purchase the game (code, background, artworks, etc...), and contrary to kiexa sayings, we won't ask for donations in order to finance devs and the game's server (who will be provided by Lacambre). We ask for help to have a better server for the website.

Luinil