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dakhound wrote:aye real greed, hence they gave away their lower op's to worthy allies

Bothers me for you to say that more than any other karavan, you know full well what its like to be kami, sad it has come to you changing sides

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meh forget it waste of effort

kyesmith wrote:Bothers me for you to say that more than any other karavan, you know full well what its like to be kami, sad it has come to you changing sides

I do kye,

I got annoyed sometime, I fought alot to get ppl motivated, I tried many different approaches and non worked as the kami simply will not work as a true unified force. You know kye how we tried and tried and constantly found ourselves up against a wall of crap. It stopped being fun for me a long time ago mate, with ppl like you about I could handle the crap as we shared a laugh about it. When all the like minded ppl went to cho tho it became a little too much.

I hope someone comes and unites the kami I really do, I wasnt the man for the job and all other contenders seem to have dropped out.

You know what would fix the current situation?

Getting rid of cats completly, and making the other items obtainable through some non-PvP means.

Yeah, it has been said before, but it would solve the problem. When OPs are no longer as valuable because other methods of getting the items exist, there will be less need to form alliances to hold them. The battles would devolve closer to a GvG event, and the loss of an outpost would not be a siesmic occurance.

When there is less to fight over, fewer people will bother to fight.

And the cats are just bad for the game. They help players rush to end levels, and that has them getting bored faster. We should really get rid of them, and swap them out with something else.

It's never good thing to mix many different playing styles, with rewards what belongs to different playing styles. It will allways cause problems.

Do people just forget about R2? If we can make zones, how quick can a couple of paid employees or interns?

The 50 level skill bricks can be added without affecting balance. Once things get in gear we could make 4x xp and it should have 0 effect on game play. Regions the size of the existing game can be created to accommodate every play style.

I think we should be asking the devs to look forward and not at existing OP balance issues or is that what everyone wants endgame to be?

sprite wrote:Of course that also means there was a time when the Karavan were not in control of the server either (and therefore such a time could come again), but I'm not sure thats being contested

nope... wasn't contesting. Nor was I saying that the Karavan always dominated. They haven't. There was a time where there was a balance that allowed for fun OP battles where the outcome wasn't decided in the first 20mins. I can't say the same of the current state of the game.

and before you go on and think I'm blaming it all on the KA...

dakhound wrote:I do kye,

I got annoyed sometime, I fought alot to get ppl motivated, I tried many different approaches and non worked as the kami simply will not work as a true unified force. You know kye how we tried and tried and constantly found ourselves up against a wall of crap. It stopped being fun for me a long time ago mate, with ppl like you about I could handle the crap as we shared a laugh about it. When all the like minded ppl went to cho tho it became a little too much.

I hope someone comes and unites the kami I really do, I wasnt the man for the job and all other contenders seem to have dropped out.

I don't blame Jack for going Kara. I understand completely why he did it and explained it to him on the Kami forums.

Many people marked Infinity's leaving the game as the beginning of the KA dominance (and the downfall of the Kami). I'm sure this was partly because of CoM ending up with one of the OPs, but I belive its something more than that. We were truly a Kami guild that people rallied around (I take no credit for it. That was all Bri and Praha). However, the amount of crap that Bri and Pra had to wade through to get any Kami to do anything was incredible. Unless it directly affected them, whole guilds would refuse to help/attack/defend/etc. Infinity suggested attacking a Kara op not in Kami lands and suddenly all the Kami are deaf.
so, we leave game. I return months later to find that the KA were dominating, the Kami were scattered and there was an attempt to unify them with the Kami Alliance forum and the creation of an alliance to compete with the KA. Hoping tha things had changed, I signed up... and it took me about 10 mins of browsing to realize that things had not changed. No unification, no faith, none willing to take a risk. If it doesn't affect them directly, they don't want anything to do with it. If I may be so bold here, a guild recently had the crap kicked out of their OP. Instead of saying "well, we lost our OP. We need to fight even harder now", its "well, so long guys. No reason for us to stick around now we got no OP. Laters". I'm not naming names, but I'm sure someone will post angrily now and name themselves anyway

I'm Kami. I hate Karavan. Theres no doubt about which side I stand on (90+ personal / 100 guild Kami fame). I hate the KA because they're Kara and because they're winning. But I DO respect them. They work very well together. They support each other, have people they rally around (take DT... may be a complete A-hole somtimes, but hes got charisma and people follow him... some have said worse of Bri when he was around ). They are dominant because they earned it through planning, team work, and faith. The Kami lack all that (plus we're short players atm) and as a result, they fail.

EDIT: Added the Kami Forum post. Its in the public section, so I don't think anyone will care if it ends up here too

Morgaine wrote:on Politics: its always been about politics, Jack. Surely you remember the crap that Bri/Pra had to wade through to get anyone to do anything with OPs. The Kami have ALWAYS played it defensively (with the exception of a few guilds. As a whole, defensively). The only times I can think that they declared on an OP that wasn't in Kami lands was in retaliation of a declaration of one on a Kami OP (for example during the Samsara battle, TW declared on a Matis OP so that they two would be at the same time and Citizenz risked losing their OP). So even when the numbers between the KA and the Kami were closer to equal, it still wasn't possible to get Kami to attack OPs out of the desert or jungle (something the KA doesn't have any reservations about doing).
You mentioned that people are afraid. I'd say thats pretty correct, but again something thats always been true. Many guilds are afraid of losing an OP or making themselves a target by planning or participating in something that would rouse the KA. Its always been about maintaining what was theirs, guarding their patch of land, not each other as a whole. For as much as I dislike the KA, I had to admit that they have a good system. Only a few leaders (not too many cooks in the pot), everyone knows their role, supports one another. They share cats and mats and realize that by benefitting each other they end up benefitting themselves. Now, granted I haven't logged on to Aris in a while, but I'm willing to be its the same as when I left (part of the reason I left a 2nd time. There'd have of been some revolution for it to have changed this dramatically). I'm sure they deal with their share of politics as well, but they present the image that if you declared on an OP and told them the time, they'd show up, simply because you were the same faction. Could you say the same about the Kami? nope...

totnkopf wrote: The Kami lack all that (plus we're short players atm) and as a result, they fail.

How about server merge ? Cho full of Kami supporters that Apispotle needs.

blaah wrote:How about server merge ? Cho full of Kami supporters that Apispotle needs.

no need for a merge, most already have uber toons on aris (looks at final)

dakhound wrote:no need for a merge, most already have uber toons on aris (looks at final)

indeed, for many arispotle kami and kami supporters cho was an ideal way to escape, the thing i'm working on is getting them to kami outpost wars on arisplotle even if they have little intrest in the outcome.
and for the record jack i dont blame you for leaving the kami side, hell im neutral and prolly one of the most radical kami around, we all need to escape some times