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Re: Xavier's still at it :)

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:03 am
by tryzovia
strallax wrote:He's trustworthy? Based on the fact that he is involved in a DNS registrar or based on his altern.org site?
Lacambre is doing hosting since 1996, he has created gitoyen.net, globenet.org...

For the web server, i had a talk with Xavier. We know that it is a bad server. The problem is that it is actually Xavier who is paying for it (with his own money...) and he can't afford a better one.
If he get enought money to get one he would be happy to use it :)

Re: Xavier's still at it :)

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:05 am
by praha
And after all these pings, this boads well for the dot Org project how?

Re: Xavier's still at it :)

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:09 am
by kaetemi
praha wrote:And after all these pings, this boads well for the dot Org project how?
Look, over there! A distraction!

Re: Xavier's still at it :)

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:34 am
by rundll32
Lol praha, I was wondering why everyone keeps pinging the server, its no wonder its slow to respond.

Re: Xavier's still at it :)

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:13 am
by praha
rundll32 wrote:Lol praha, I was wondering why everyone keeps pinging the server, its no wonder its slow to respond.
Well, what I was getting at is:

If they can't keep a low bandwidth server up and running smoothly, how are they going to keep a server up, 1 or more servers for the game up, a test server and a storage server. I'm sure there are a few other servers missing from my list. But they can't even keep a webpage running smoothly.

Re: Xavier's still at it :)

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:42 am
by ummax
tryzovia wrote:Lacambre is doing hosting since 1996, he has created gitoyen.net, globenet.org...

For the web server, i had a talk with Xavier. We know that it is a bad server. The problem is that it is actually Xavier who is paying for it (with his own money...) and he can't afford a better one.
If he get enought money to get one he would be happy to use it :)
Okay well one last try for now to get some people to see something. It may seem minor to you but its not to me.

I looked at his stuff it smacks of amateur all over the place and the guy has been hosting since 1996.

I present to you (just for reason of comparison nothing more) something somewhat more presentable done by a friend of mine who has a partnership with 2 other people. He is a programmer and webmaster along with his 2 partners. They expanded in 2000 and are now this justanothersite.net /wepageforu.org(with .com and.net redirected)

Now I'm a big fan of presentability. It says it all when it comes to neat websites etc on the net. I build websites as well (although my techhead terms are terrible) and I have run servers.

What I see as far as presentability and surfability is aweful.

Next I finally got that forum to come up and I looked at the link about the fact that the guy is saying yes his server is bad and he gives a link to dedicated xeon servers. Now, WHY in heck does he need an entire server right now to run ryzom.org I mean the project itself my not be even able to be called that. He can afford it just he wants you guys to pay for an entire server for what right now? come now for the next long while all you will need is a website and forum for communication and presentation. A virtual server which would cost you $50-60 USD (i dont know what that is in euros) would more then server the power and bandwidth needs of this site.

Awhile ago now I used a virtual server to completely revamp a large ecommerce business that got thousands of hits per day. The pages were nto simple html and the database was NOT small. The pages were php based self replicating pages and the database was massive.

Are you not curious as to why you guys need to fork over 300 euros or whatever he wants for a server for a small site which I know is not getting the traffic of some of the sites I have built and do to this day.?

Are you also thinking about the fact that he can't afford to even pay for a well serviced hosting account in the interum to be reimbursed if the project manages to go live?

Lastly can the sites be any more ugly and slow then they are and why are you going with people who can't even put a decent webpage together on a permanent basis. As what I Looked at was god aweful.


I could understand the fact that ryzom.org looks bad and even accept it if it were for the fact that its impossible to bring up on a regular basis AND the fact that the webpages from the people involved look like they were created in 5 mintues by a college student on his study break just for fun.

I tell you what I see. A guy who need and wants a job and you and others are going to be the one that gives it to him. YOu are his bread and butter and he is gonna be the "single" coder that is gonna do it all. That is what I see.

Re: Xavier's still at it :)

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:11 am
by mithur
ummax wrote: Awhile ago now I used a virtual server to completely revamp a large ecommerce business that got thousands of hits per day. The pages were nto simple html and the database was NOT small. The pages were php based self replicating pages and the database was massive.

Are you not curious as to why you guys need to fork over 300 euros or whatever he wants for a server for a small site which I know is not getting the traffic of some of the sites I have built and do to this day.?

Are you also thinking about the fact that he can't afford to even pay for a well serviced hosting account in the interum to be reimbursed if the project manages to go live?
You have a good point here. I have some good friends (and development colleagues) working in several ISPs. A good virtual hosting is cheap, and *can* ressist the slashdot effect without problem. A friend's website was slashdotted, and he call the ISP to send advice. It cost him a bit more that month (Because the bandwith increment, instead of 60€, 110&#8364 ;) but the site never becommes laggy or offline.

I don't see nothing of this very professional, I must say. And I *know* this word.

Re: Xavier's still at it :)

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:53 am
by bluefve
Free Ryzom Campaign reps:

Speaking from a background in journalism and public relations, your answers are short, unrealistic, nonfactual, sporadic, and incoherent. You also try to defend yourselves by pointing out minuscule things about our community (us), about Nevrax (your former employer), and Jolt (Your former employer's business partner), and then turn around saying "never mind" after you typed it, with full intention of bringing it up. You call us trolling, I see you flaming and trolling. I see mud slinging and slander.

I would like to ask that the poor excesses of representatives that are obviously from the "FRC Company" please be exchanged for new ones?

Oh! I forgot! Its not their fault they haven't mastered our English language. Perhaps they're not the best persons for the job? I got you there.
Tryzovia wrote:Do you know that the french GM of the best support ever seen in a mmorpg hardly master.. french? It his not his fault of course, but he wasn't the best people for this role...
That quote is so wrong on so many levels.

On a business and public front from reading 21 pages in a row, I can safely say its pathetic. I give you kudos for being a valiant effort, but its as pure as a sewer monster rising to save a princess. I can't help but see some possible grudges against former employers in order to attempt to take their product at a fraction of the price.

Imagine you and your brother are trying to buy a really expensive house, over the course of 3 years. You both work hard for it. However, you decide to leave, for multiple reasons, possible over a squabble of what rooms are yours, or colour of the furnishings. But at any rate, you separate after half a year, and you take your income with you, leaving your brother to pay and work for the house for the remainder of the time. About 2.5 years into it, your brother worked himself to the bone, took out loans, wiped his credit, and still has a portion to go, but cannot make it anymore and his house will be taken away and sold. You on the other hand, hear about this, and buy the whole house in its entirety with a fraction of the price of what he had to pay himself, and for that, you get sole control and all the benefits, while your brother is left out in the cold with the house he worked for now out of his hands.

Thats how I see it.

EDIT: Isn't it illegal to do company slander on the victim's own property? Ie the Ryzom Forums?

EDIT 2: I understand that the "Nevrax-Ryzom" community is not nessisarily yours, the "FRC-Ryzom" community, however, you are attempting to buy out OUR game, correct? So in turn, have the ideals to pull us to you if you gain the rights to the game, correct? Because I am assuming you do not want nor have the money to spend on a massive marketing campaign to bring in a whole new player base? So therefore, I find it rather halarious and ironic that you see all the concerns and demands of us as a collective and possible future 1/3 owners of your company and yet you do not falter to edit your business proposal or other management concerns, despite your slogan to be "community governed".

That is just one of many faults, besides hiring a person fired for reasons you do not know, gaining illegally obtained data, and use this illegal data to perform illegal actions.

EDIT 3: I be frank, I'm at a moot point on personal opinion with Xavier. He served his purpose during his say as CL for Ryzom. I remember the Ep II forum explosions quite well. I also saw his works on R2. From what was public, minimal. He got it started. Sure. But I give credit on this public front to Seido. Congrats, bud, you got my full kudos on this. In my honest opinion, Seido did more than Xavier on the Ring. Once again, this is only from what I saw, and how I took it in.

Re: Xavier's still at it :)

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:04 am
by jezabel
1 - Xavier pay with is own money. If another party make the deal with Nevrax, all the money put by Xavier will be lost. We are talking about buying a MMORPG. The chance of winning the deal are thin and Xavier know it.

2 - You talk about small or average bandwith. It seems you haven't really understood the real impact of the Ryzom.org project actually. Take a look at the list below. And they are only known sites.

Re: Xavier's still at it :)

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:21 am
by desdi
Beside that there is probably more people from the player community (all languages included) on our side that on the flaming one but still they talk about "their community"...

Do not misunderstand my words, the vast majority is surely, and wisely, not taking any position only hoping ryzom will survive whatever may come.

ps: As for the "so wrong quote" not only is it right but I suppose you talk better french than frenchies*... No I won't say "got you there", 'cause we are not playing a game.

*and please do remember that it is an international effort too, just look at the forums, for you are welcome there.