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Don't forget that the majority of the rewards for this event were aquired in the very last leg of the event. Those like myself who did the majority of the event but not the root part, since I stayed behind to attempt to defend the outpost, didn't get the Fame portion of it. Also, in order to get the majority of the rewards from this event you didn't have to do the whole thing. Somebody could have just joined up, which we picked up and lost people all through the event, for the very last part of the event and received the same rewards as as you did being there for the whole thing.

I'm fine with events awarding fame. It seems like, from what Gorran posted, the Fame awarded for the first parts of the event was within reason. Which, I do now remember noticing a difference in personal fame after the event though it wasn't near what my guildmate got going into the roots. That last part of the event was just insane.

100 is the maximum fame. Those Kami allies who didn't reach that level in this event will probably get there next event. At which point fame is meaningless to Kami supporters. When a player has reached 100 fame, fame is no longer an incentive. I agree that events should, from a gameplay standpoint, offer fame as a way to encourage people to participate. I agree that from a story standpoint fame rewards make sense.

But 25 to 90 in one event? That is way too much. Fame rewards will mean nothing when fame is so easy to accumulate. High Kami fame doesn't mean you're exceptional, it doesn't mean you're a great Kami hero - you may have heroic fame, but that won't indicate any major status if fame is skyrocketing like this. People will stop doing missions entirely, because why spend 50 hours doing tedious missions when a fun 6-hour event will get you more fame than all those missions combined?

The fame economy can't hold up under these circumstances. I hope Nevrax scales this back a little, because I want fame to mean something.

By the end of this recent event I'd clocked up hundreds of kills. I was in groups that got xp for killing many many gibbai, cutes, antikami, kitin, black circle and even a few yubos! I didn't hear of anyone going from 25 Kami fame to 90 Kami fame, but if they did they must have killed more than my entire group, or any other group, or maybe even all of the groups together lol. I already had max positive Zorai and Kami fame prior to this event, as well as max negative Karavan and Antikami fame. The only real differences in fame I noticed by the end of the day of war with the goo-infested hordes of Antikami was +7 guild fame points I had accrued under Kami and Zorai, -7 guild fame for Antikami, Karavan and Black Circle.

Perhaps the fame rewarded for this event was too high... considering how few actually participated, and how little fame means at this point I really don't see any major repercussions on gameplay from this at all.

Maybe when one's fame standing has an actual impact on gameplay and the story, then people would be more eager to participate in upcoming events.

madnak wrote:The fame economy can't hold up under these circumstances. I hope Nevrax scales this back a little, because I want fame to mean something.

Note that while Kami fame did go up fast, main civilization fame levels did not, they increased but not to the same extent as the Kami fame. Also note that this event was unique so far: No other event has awarded fame and no other event was directly called by a single faction. The Kitin invasion in Matis awarded no fame and there was no clarion call issued by the Matis, the Kami nor the Karavan. What does that have to do with anything?

Simply don't expect all events to award fame. If you want "easy" fame (does anyone who fought through that entire campaign call it easy? I don't.) then wait on events and hope they award fame. Don't want to trust your fame levels to being in game at the right time AND during a fame awarding event? Run missions.

Missions in the starter region (Mainland) award low fame. Missions in each successive region award increasingly higher fame. Don't "waste" your time by focusing solely on doing the low level missions, spend your time on leveling so you can do the higher rewarding missions. Once you start gaining fame with the low level tribes, you'll continue to gain fame with them as you do the higher level missions and you'll actually start gaining it faster.

100 may be the maximum fame for each column (global, personal, guild or civ) but once you hit 100, even in personal, for a faction, you can still do missions to help raise your guild's fame with that faction. Sure, your personal fame doesn't increase but your guild's does. Even with the very limited role that fame plays in game currently, there are a number of facets of it that are very interesting:

Why does gaining fame with this faction also raise the fame with that faction? What relationship do the two have? Why does my fame with this faction stop dropping at -66 when I do Kami missions but this faction will always drop, even beyond -66, when I do Kami missions?

These changes in fame hint at very complex power struggles and simply ignoring the missions because one event awarded fame would be, in my view, very short sighted.

Form now on i am shutting up (to the liking of some) Gorran seems to have a skill for saying what i wanna say but a bit nicer.

A good discussion going here.

Fame does two things in game. It deals with the type Raynes talks about. Carreer type thing. A person can be well known and famous in his community or place of work through being there everyday over a period of time. Some might call these lifetime achievement awards. We get fame for that. The game recognizes that if we work hard over a period of time we can build up our fame with varous factions and groups.

The other type of fame however is the heroic type of fame. Doing something above and beyond the call of duty. Landing on the moon, being in a key battle etc. If someone told you they were at the battle of Normandy, people would know and respect that no matter what they did. Like I said in my previous post, it might not be worth instant 90 fame with a faction, but a good little reward I think is in order. That event took many hours of time. I was there on the Karavan side for 4 hours I think before it ended. I know people were on fighting long before I logged in.

I agree with Gralen about how groups work. Many more people were at those battles and they got nothing for their hours of time and work. The same can go for exp. Perhaps some type of alliance system, where groups can make some form of larger force that gets credit for things the entire force does.

Ok first I'm not saying that the people taking part in this event didn't deserve some fame or the title. I beleive they did. I'm also not saying that their accomplishment was something that didn't matter, it did. But there should of been a 20 or 30 point jump in their fame, not 60 or 70.

A very important point was brought up here. That there are really 2 reasons why one would be well known or famous in the context of this game. The first is if you are a hero, known for your success in battle. The second that you are known for your dedication to a group because of the tasks you complete. No matter what some will argue both are equally important in different ways. With battles it's because you are defending the group from their enemies. With the tasks because you are doing things nesseccary for their everyday survival. Things like collecting food, fur ofr clothing, building material, scouting areas, and letting them know about animal populations.

So maybe the real answer isn't to reduce the amount of fame awarded for events, but change the type of fame people get. For those of us who do tasks on a regular basis we get personal fame. Those that take parts in events they get global fame. It fits very well too. A group is going to know someone who visits a tribe on a regular basis on a much more personal level, than someone who is off fighting battles. If someone wins a battle against the kitin in an event, their name will be known globally and they will be treated with respect, but certainly not known on a personal level.

Of course if competing tasks gets persoanl fame, and doing events gets global fame, then it would be very important that unique rewards be given for the personal fame level, not just the global fame number.

To wicker:
As I said before you might have saved the land in battle, but I'm going to get their food, clothing, and kiling cutthroats that is esentially to their everyday living. Without food they can't survive. So don't act like those little tasks are important, they are easily AS important as saving the land.

To vaquero1:
You said "We all do hard work, not just you Raynes". I couldn't agree with you more. So if we all do hard work then why are some people getting benefits while others are getting nothing? And if you think that taking part in one event is anything comparable to the hard work done in raising fame by doing tasks your insane. Sitting and doing something for a few hours just doesn't compare to doing something for weeks or months.

You can be famous and hated, or unknown but loved. It's be fun to have a system with two different elements to fame.

I think events like these should award guild fame. Say 10 points of Kami guild fame, 5 of Zorai. A sizable benefit, but not so extreme. Of course that presents a problem for the unguilded. But at least it preserves the value of personal fame, and guilds will probably tend to focus on these kinds of conflicts anyhow. Civilization fame might make sense, too.

But it does sound like the 65 point figure may not be accurate. Does anyone have any solid numbers on how much this event actually affected fame?

First i wanna say this: (yea i know i was going to shut up)

The title dont mean squat, Most of the karavan people i talk to think we were given the event and have started to call my title a "FREE" title that was giving to me for no reason. They feal as though the event was riged for us to win. I dont know what they went threw over there but from what i hear it was not fun times. Lack of a plan, organization, and communication was what i heard was wrong with the karavan side. This is what i heard from people that were on that side. Sorry you guys lost but hey it happens people lose get over it. From what i saw WE the kami had a plan, organization, and communication. So we won.

back to the post

I am sure you work hard raynes. (Although sometimes i think you only work hard at posting on the forums) As far as titles go you should get a title for working that hard. I got my title threw combat. You sould get a title for your work with missions. However it sould not be the same title i get threw combat. I do both missions and did the event. My fame PERSONAL fame was ok to start i had like +20 or so on kami. After the event my PERSONAL fame went to like +40 or something. The only place I got a BIG jump in fame was in my Global Fame. That was pretty good to begin with. From what i understand and correct me if i am wrong sence a bunch of my guildmates were in this event they got fame to..and that increased my guild fame. on top of that my personal fame was going up as well. And on top of that other Zorai were fighting to and i think that is my civilization fame going up. So the global fame is all 3 fames total. Well that shot up like a rocket. Cause all the other fames were going up. So this is where i stand now.

Kami 76 40 20 16

karavan -85 -38 -14 -33

Zorai 89 47 26 16

None of my personal fame is above 50 where as b4 it was not above 25. I dont think the event gave us a big jump in fame. So i guess because many of my fellow Zorai were fighting with me that pushed my Civi fame up. Me and my guild mates drove my guild fame up. And I drove my personal fame up 20 points. All combined my global fame shot up by like 40 or so points i think.

So i ask you this post your fame up here tell us what the numbers are in your fame. Tell us how long it took you to get up that high and what missions you did. Personally I go up to The Company of the Eternal Tree Camp and do there missions they r ez to do and give good fame. I started doing fame missions from the second week of the game. I did one or two every day taking about 10-30min to finish. If i had started earlier doing fame missions my fame before the event would have been very high.


So are you 100 personal fame or 100 global fame? and what is your guild fame?


I think MOST people are have missed the whole point of this event. That was to make homins pick a side to be on kami or karavan, instead of sitting on the fence cause i think most people were not doing missions.

+20? That sounds fair to me.

I hope they aren't trying to make us pick sides because I really want to be neutral. But I don't want to miss out on the events, so maybe I'll just have to go Karavan. Maybe I'll ease up on my Kami missions for a while...

We could have been better organized, but we did just fine for a loose coalition of largely casual players. The Zorai won by a very large margin on all four servers. So I think something else is up.