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Re: The difference between those who like it and those who dont

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:08 pm
by geezas
keriann wrote:I paid for a month of enjoyment and this is what I am going to get. whathever if it's from the game, or if it's annoying stupid people like you that even bothers to read my posts. you are 'mature' enough to not tell me what you think of me..... if you would know what I think about you I doubt you would have made that statement. As for the moderators.... what moderators? have you seen anyone moderating the forums lately? or any response from the developers?
I'm not trying to be annoying but is this your first mmorpg ? You seem verry agitated and angry about the current state of the game. These bugs and problems with gameplay are normal for a release in this scale and complexity.

The beta testing was done before release can only cover so much, some things just can't be tested because a test environment is not a live situation.

Now this is a bit more personal
About the dev's, would you like somebody who came up to you at work and started cursing about the way you do things? shouting at you and your coworkers, blaming you for everything you do, offerering no options, no way to help you, just blaming you for everything. Thats a real motivator ...
This is what you are doing right now at the forums!

Yes you paid for this game, and yes you have a right to enjoy yourself. BUT if you bought something that you thought was fun and it turned out not to be, according to your posts, why torment yourself and others ... if you don't like it there are 2 options:

1. Describe your problems in a structured/civilised way and post them to the boards and support.

2. Quit

Anoying people and cursing is no option, you have a right to a opinion but only to a certain degree, these forums have the same rules as the game and what you are doing is harassment.

Re: The difference between those who like it and those who dont

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:21 pm
by grizlly
This is rubbish (not the contat but the community) the one thing that grabed and held onto me with Ryzom as opposed to teh other MMO i was playing was the community.

The state of region chat and these boards is the thing thats making me want to quit, not just the dificulty levels in game.

Re: The difference between those who like it and those who dont

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:26 pm
by keriann
geezas wrote:I'm not trying to be annoying but is this your first mmorpg ? You seem verry agitated and angry about the current state of the game. These bugs and problems with gameplay are normal for a release in this scale and complexity.

The beta testing was done before release can only cover so much, some things just can't be tested because a test environment is not a live situation.

Now this is a bit more personal
About the dev's, would you like somebody who came up to you at work and started cursing about the way you do things? shouting at you and your coworkers, blaming you for everything you do, offerering no options, no way to help you, just blaming you for everything. Thats a real motivator ...
This is what you are doing right now at the forums!

Yes you paid for this game, and yes you have a right to enjoy yourself. BUT if you bought something that you thought was fun and it turned out not to be, according to your posts, why torment yourself and others ... if you don't like it there are 2 options:

1. Describe your problems in a structured/civilised way and post them to the boards and support.

2. Quit

Anoying people and cursing is no option, you have a right to a opinion but only to a certain degree, these forums have the same rules as the game and what you are doing is harassment.

if you bother reading all I did write I have threw tons of costructive proposals, suggesting ways to go beyond the current crisis I did explain my problems in a structured and civilized manners to the boards and to the support multiple times. none of my calls has been replied in a satisfactory mean or at least a mean to allow me to continue play.

as for your question.. no it's not my first mmrpg, I currently play also Eve online, I played star wars galaxies for over a year (the wrost experience of my life... but not worse than the current situation of ryzom), some ultima online, some lineage 2, a few months of ragnarok online (which was my first mmrpg I think) and tried out a few dozens of ones like everquest, anarchy online, meridian 59 (maybe this one was my first..), final fantasy 11, and several others. infact, one of my part time jobs is write reviews of games.

None of them, so far has proven so umplayable to me like Ryzom is at the current state of being.

as for having bought the game... I thought it was fun, yes, IT WAS ACTUALLY ALOT OF FUN TOO!. then came patch 1.

as for quit. I am still at the first month, I had a taste of this game working for only 5 days, then came patch 1 and ruined everything. I am still hoping the game returns the great game it was it had really wonderful premises yet the whole patch 1 broke the whole game opportunities that was offered.

they did state that getting levels didn't meant to become overly too powerful, they did state that even at 250 someone could continue on becoming stronger in other fields, not overly stronger but better. so was written in the skill system. The current state of the things... broke that rule.

you worried about reaching top level? the game challenge was REACH TOP LEVEL, and continue to improve, making the game fun anyway. so premised the skill system, more option not more power. Probably their creatives ran out of options. I did offer ideas several times on different posts and I still have hundreds of ideas to fill their gaps. but I do not work for them, it is not my place and neither my will to build their game, expecially when I am being deined the possibility to play it. Right now I am just very angry. I want that great game back and I want it back quickly, it has been a whole boring weekend whithout it. at least eve online did ease that boredom....

Re: The difference between those who like it and those who dont

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 1:35 pm
by sprite
As keriann has said before themselves, the best thing to do if you don't want to see his/her complaints is just to ignore all the posts he/she makes.

Then maybe he/she will get the hint, shut up, and stop annoying us all.

Re: The difference between those who like it and those who dont

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 1:45 pm
by keriann
sprite wrote:As keriann has said before themselves, the best thing to do if you don't want to see his/her complaints is just to ignore all the posts he/she makes.

Then maybe he/she will get the hint, shut up, and stop annoying us all.
to avoid you keep on write forever he/she, I'm a she :P but if you want you can refer to me as an IT too :P I don't mind either..

Re: The difference between those who like it and those who dont

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 2:18 pm
by krone9
sprite wrote:As keriann has said before themselves, the best thing to do if you don't want to see his/her complaints is just to ignore all the posts he/she makes.

Then maybe he/she will get the hint, shut up, and stop annoying us all.
of course some of us think she's got some good points and would actually like to see a dev or a moderator respond to them rather than just another annoying post from another player which gives us no info whatsoever.

Your post annoys me far more.

Re: The difference between those who like it and those who dont

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 2:26 pm
by desolis
krone9 wrote:of course some of us think she's got some good points and would actually like to see a dev or a moderator respond to them rather than just another annoying post from another player which gives us no info whatsoever.

Your post annoys me far more.

if a dev/mod wherre to resond to all kerianns posts it would be a fulltime job :P personally i rather haver them working on the game that im paying them for.

Re: The difference between those who like it and those who dont

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 2:29 pm
by krone9
yeah fair enough - but there's moderators on here who presumably talk to the devs and can act as a half way house, letting us know what is being worked on and what is still being discussed.

I'd put money on the fact that if they did, there would be less negative posts.

Re: The difference between those who like it and those who dont

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 2:40 pm
by desolis
krone9 wrote:yeah fair enough - but there's moderators on here who presumably talk to the devs and can act as a half way house, letting us know what is being worked on and what is still being discussed.

I'd put money on the fact that if they did, there would be less negative posts.

well I think the mods are prolly in game quite alot at the moment (maybe invisible) dealing with all the tickets, I know i was talking to one the other night and siad they where quite busy with tickets.

Which brings me to another point you have a prob put a ticket in then if you want to discuss it make a constructive post in the forums its really quite a simply concept and if its that hard to grasp then maybe thats why some people are having difficulty playing the game if they cant grast those easy steps.

Re: The difference between those who like it and those who dont

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 2:48 pm
by krone9
thing is there's no tracking or response to the tickets - sometimes you get a reply from a guide and sometimes you don't.

I'd imagine these tickets are all going into a bug tracking system, and are then qualified by guides as to priority. Would be great to be able to see an export from this - even if its just the highest priority ones. Any sort of feedback on tickets raised would be good. Even if it was just an automated export which emails you when the status of your bug changes - at least you know then that something is being done.

I understand that there's reasons why you wouldn't want software end users to necessarily see something like this but on one hand we're asked to treat MMORPG's somewhat differently to normal software and to expect bugs that are fixed over time, and changes to gameplay based on feedback even tho it might be construed that we're paying for a finished product. Most of the negativity it seems stems from either being surprised by a change in a patch or by not knowing if somethings going to be fixed.