Changing Source Mode: Fairplay or Exploit?

[eegreen]

Quartered mats do not serve any purpose but helping you level.

Quartered mats work just fine for crafting items. Sure, you have to kill tougher things to get good quality, but they are every bit as good as foraged mats. There are a wide variety of mats available in many colors from quartering. Maybe I'm not interpreting what you said correctly. What information do you have to back up this statement?

[kahuna]

The question is, what are you crafting for?

If you are a member of a large, well-organized guild, then yes, much of what you say is true.

However, there are a lot of people who do not get their weapons from other guild members, especially at lower levels. They're out in front of the city looking for weapons and armor. They are my customers. I do a majority of my own harvesting, along with a couple friends who do likewise, but in different branches of the craft tree. We have a guild, but it is small and just getting started. We do OK for our internal needs, and we're doing OK with orders so far.

What am I crafting for? fun, levels, and profit (not necessarily in that order). That's what I've chosen to do with my time in the game.

Another problem, while we're at it... one could make the case that there should be several harvesters feeding each crafter to keep up with the flow. However, even if I had 3-4 people out there harvesting for me, I still wouldn't get enough materials unless every harvester out there is conscientious (sp?) about their harvesting. I spent about an hour this morning harvesting in a particular area. Managing my sources, I had been doing pretty good at not running out of things to harvest. Then some gingo-brain walks in, harvests once, exhausts the source area, and screws up my day. I just about took an axe to him...

Quahooneh
Leader - House of the Raining Desert

[kahuna]

Quartered mats work just fine for crafting items. Sure, you have to kill tougher things to get good quality, but they are every bit as good as foraged mats. There are a wide variety of mats available in many colors from quartering. Maybe I'm not interpreting what you said correctly. What information do you have to back up this statement?

Unless you have found something to kill that drops choice mats, there is virtually no comparison between items made from choice harvested mats and fine dropped ones. Weapon damage, armor strength, etc., are all much higher with choice harvested mats.

Quahoonah
Leader - House of the Raining Desert

[svayvti]

if even one person harvested their own materials everytime they needed equipment, that would be enough to keep you supplied. That is not that hard to do.

Simply not true. I don't get new armor that often, if decay rates weren't insane I get it about once every 10 levels. Do you know how many people each crafter has to make that particular item for to keep up with those 10 levels?

Some argue that the job of fighters isn't to harvest but to fight and guard harvesters. But how many true dedicated harvesters are there in guilds? Do you really need guarding in some cases for certain mats?

Very few foragers, due to the nature of foraging people are dropping it like flies who came into the game to do it. Still, I would say it is the job by design of Foragers to get mats. Do they really need guarding in some places? Unless you know some way to keep Ragus/Gingos/Kinchers/etc from aggroing while you forage, yes.

Quartered mats do not serve any purpose but helping you level. Withe exception of named mobs which can be camped. That doesn't help much for the supply of people who always craft as best as they can get.

Quartered mats are good for selling, grinding craft, and overlooking those named mobs is a big mistake. As a Mage I can get excellent/supreme materials without going far from the main cities. Do you have any idea what a Forager has to do to get the same quality of materials... let alone in the same quantity?

Sure Foragers can level, but they need a big boost in doing their job.

[nunyas]

i'd agree that being able to change the mode to what you want should be considered an exploit. re-starting the extraction until you get the one you want isn't quite as bad.

What? You just contradicted yourself. You agree that changing the mode should be considered an exploit but think that restarting the extraction to get the mode you want is ok. That is changing the mode, and the exploit IS restarting the extraction process over and over until you get the mode that you want. The fact that you can use the built in macro editor to stop and restart the extracion to change the mode to the one you want is the whole reason that the Gentle stanzas are rendered worthless. If you can sit there and stop and restart your extraction plan repeatedly until you get the mode that you want, why even bother with using the more expensive Gentle stanzas.

The only way that the mode should be able to be changed is if you us a care plan. I would like to still see what mode the source is in when i start harvesting, and have the source STAY in that mode until i use a care plan. Also, the mode should not change until the care plan has FINISHED it's execution (i.e. the progress bar filled up), and no change in the source mode if the care plan was cancelled prior to completion. That's the solution that makes most sense with the current skills and abilities given to the harvesters.

[shrike]

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Quartered mats are good for selling, grinding craft, and overlooking those named mobs is a big mistake. As a Mage I can get excellent/supreme materials without going far from the main cities. Do you have any idea what a Forager has to do to get the same quality of materials... let alone in the same quantity?.

A few little details you like to ignore:

The named mobs near the citys are q50-q70 excellent and supreme mats, not much use if you crafter higher qual items. And getting the excellent drops from boss-herbivores is extremly slow due to their minimal drop rates. Also, you can get only *one* variant of each mat type in an area. If it's one which boosts the wrong stats (like boni on lightness and mali on damage) it's on no use.

There is a thing called "teleport ticket". By using it I am have travel distance of..mhh.. 2 minutes? to my harvesting areas.

[svayvti]

But the ones near the cities aren't the only named mobs if that is what you're looking for. It wasn't ignored at all, moving over one zone is a lot easier than going into the prime roots anymore.

You can find named mobs that drop up to q250 supreme mats without going into the prime roots at all. You just can't forage for them.

Even at minimal drop rates, the respawn rate is much faster than waiting for supreme mats in the prime roots. Herbivores also aren't the only option, you'll find if you tried that Kitin and Carnivore bosses drop plenty of mats in general.

I have teleport tickets as well, which also applies to parties attacking boss mobs. Even after you've made the journey to get the teleport ticket, the trip has only begun.

But nevermind what I say, you seem intent on tracking me down in every thread even out of your community to be contradictory to what I say. I'm not sure who you think you're convincing with it either, as everything I've said is easy for people to prove to themselves.

[lyrah68]

Think of it like this, MOST players found out about this ability either by accident...like me, or by reading the To do and debate about it on the forums. OR they do not know about it at all.

If players get in trouble for changing the mode...what about players with a touchy mouse that accidentally change the mode? Yep had that happen to me more than once, and more than once I have LOST a mode one to a double click.

If they start warning people for that...then they need to make it impossible to do it accidentally.

Recently I have noticed that it is getting harder and harder to get the FULL quality for my level. I used to be able to gather the full Q50 and at LEAST one unit, maybe the odd two units here and there. Now, not sure since what patch, but I am using MUCH more focus and not regenning HALF as fast, and I am getting degrades...on a mode ONE. Not sure why they are seeing it at necessary to make it HARDER to gather. On the mainland it is almost impossible to go about your business, without a FULL out escort. And I don't see that happening any time soon.

[svayvti]

It isn't an exploit to change the mode, it is an exploit to control the node. That is as much as I'm going to say because anything more might describe how to do it.

You will still be able to change the mode after the patch. You just won't have the number present in the display.

[kisedd]

Well we can debate this, but Patch 1, you can no longer change the mode while you harvest. Exploit, Fairplay - I guess the devs decided it made harvesting too easy.

To my mind changing modes wasn't that big a deal. However, what is good for one, someone else has to take to the extreme. I met this guy who ran a macro that changed the thing in less than a second. That kind of manipulation could cause problems long term perhaps.

So its gone and we are all gonna get a lot less mats and die a lot more.