Getting somwhat restless now

[xl2i5]

*agrees with everyone*

i dont think they realize they could just spit out a bit of information every now and then and thatd be fine..

"we are going into a meeting today.. we are trying to find a location to host the servers"

"we are discussing marketing plans in the next week."

i dont think they necessarily need to say.. THIS IS THE DATE.. just tell us there's progress.... "we are working, we know you guys are anxious, we will keep you informed as best we can"

it sucks that people losing hope, but i completely understand.. how long do they expect to hold our attention with no information.

there is a difference between what we need and what we want as far as information.. we want to know all the details.. we need to know some of the details at the very least.

[kay22626]

If they chose not to communicate, it means there are reasons. Could be hundreds of possible reasons, good or bad, so speculating is useless.
Im sure someone from their company reads these posts but i doubt they will start communicating just because we say they should .
Starting communication is easy but doing it too early could do more harm than good.
If they didnt decide on a strategy yet, just saying "hello we are x, nice to meet you" wont do any good, it will just create an unnecessary stir.

This thread brought back some unpleasant memories though:
Remember when GF took over, they did try to communicate, they even had a live online discussion with the players. They were met with suspicion and bad attitude. I remember reading the log of that discussion and being negatively impressed by the attitude of the players, they were acting as if GF owed them something. Despite the efforts made by the GF rep, next day there were negative posts on the forums and bad comments in the game chat.
When GF made the decision to give up on Jolt (which was a common sense decision at that time btw), there was a wave of hostility, veteran players leaving the game in a theatrical way making as much noise and drama as possible, thus hurting the player base even more.
It is easy now (after the fact) to clearly see the mistakes of past owners, but we should see our mistakes too, just to be fair.

This being said, im burning for new info just like everyone else and i go through the hopeful/hopeless moods too.

[symolan]

If they chose not to communicate, it means there are reasons. Could be hundreds of possible reasons, good or bad, so speculating is useless.

Could you name just one?

If they didnt decide on a strategy yet, just saying "hello we are x, nice to meet you" wont do any good, it will just create an unnecessary stir.

In my opinion stir is absolutely necessary. If it were my company I would love to have it. Marketing just does not work without any communication. If I look on other games, they're creating a hype longlonglong before they are released.

As it is the first ryzom bankruptcy I went through I don't know anything about the stories back when GF took over.

Currently, it's just not the procedure one would expect having read a first semester marketing book. ...and, would you open up forums before you have decided on a strategy?

embrel

[xl2i5]

ive already seen some posts i understand but am not so thrilled about.. there shouldnt be a feeling of.. TALK TO US TALK TO US... WE WILL LEAVE.. WE WARN YOU.. threatening feel to this... but like i said before.. how can you blame anyone for feeling this way..

everytime i get overly hyped about ryzom.. i make myself get back into something else.. so that if something doesnt work out with ryzom i am not overly disappointed and i have something else going on... i.e. EVE-Online

dont hold your breath my friends.

[arfindel]

[...]Remember when GF took over, they did try to communicate, they even had a live online discussion with the players. They were met with suspicion and bad attitude. I remember reading the log of that discussion and being negatively impressed by the attitude of the players, they were acting as if GF owed them something. [...]

Any professional communicating with a mass of people should be realistically prepared to deal with any kind of attitude and not get too mimosa sensitiva over any kind of reactions. If they breach the forums rules then without anger mute them, if not, it's every individual's way to express himself/herself.
Ryzomers' "bad attitude" is really a joke compared to other games forums (or newspapers forums for that matter). A community connexion person has to cotroll his/her emotions and not get vexed at people, rather try to find what they are trying to say and what their "bad attitude" refers at.

Games, and particularly good games, raise passions, passions are prone to heat the discourse *shrug* so what? Your target is to have your player base passionated about the game you sell them, isn't it?

More than that a majority of the players interested enough about the game to come (at all) over the forums and express opinions are those who won't leave at first bug. So they might sound bad but actually they are interesting for your company (within limits of course).

People who left the game over Jolt's contract left because they felt hurt. Can a community leader pretend them not to be? Leaving "theatrically" is logical. If you leave in silence you could as well not leave at all. People bored of a game are leaving silently, people who like the game but feel hurt are proving a point by leaving. Not discussing if their point was right or wrong; it's how they felt, feelings are not debatable.

Every seller owes something to his customer. Our customer problem is twofolded. First all MMOs and especially MMORPGs are virtual objects filled with emotional content. Emotional content is not subject to competition (but at time erosion yes). Secondly Ryzom as game class has little to no competition out there so more or less we are stuck with it.

There may be hundreds of reasons why the new team cannot give informations over the forums, completely agree with that. But there is no reason in the world for not saying hello. Oh well, let's hope it's only a temporary state and somebody reopened the forums just too early.

[akovylin]

There are feelings and there are deeds, feelings no good when we know that there are people there, there we see them, we can point even on someone but they are silent like we don't exist =)
Deeds are other things dunno how others but owner has it right to do what ever it want and as in any situation when it happens and can be not good (for someone for everyone even - "se la vie" hope i wrote it right). The question is what the reasons and can someone tell "why they did this" - even in EVE (i played it for more than half a year) in changes when there were reasons "why" its is so, it was not so negative mostly it was about "what it will bring now", when it's about lag and bug (those are reintroduced each patch) and no one understands the reasons of lags/bugs - yes its bad and everyone says BAAAD
And bussines is bussiness but it is bussiness till we (the playerbase or community) exist play and pay we are customers we have the right to know what these sausages are made of, maybe its not cow its dog meat?

so we wait but that doesn't mean that we don't want that shiny blue bubbles

[camlost2]

There´s not really any chance any other game is going to fetch my attention any time soon. Ryzom spoiled me, really badly, and while some aspects of the game may be starting to get outdated, it had a playability new games may only envy it.

I know for sure at least one of the old devs are working with the game/site at the moment, I´m curious to how many more of them are still here..

Faith, my young padawans..

[micke68]

Beren, you said it..
I just let time pass by while playing eq2. Ryzom is my first mmo, and it's the best ever. To get back to the thread, and regarding the community reaction: speaking for myself, I would only be happy to have it back. Sure there must be a reason for the lack of communication. I also think we should be more humble to the situation. (I guess most of us are) Not many have chance of 2 revivals.
It's like the Phoenix bird, raising from the ashes..
In the mean time, you can always drop in and chat in Klients..

[sunsh]

I am not one of those who needs information. All I want/need is for someone to say "Hi, we are here and we are working on it."

That's all.... 2 minutes tops. Just something to let us know that they know we are here.

[kay22626]

Games, and particularly good games, raise passions, passions are prone to heat the discourse *shrug* so what? Your target is to have your player base passionated about the game you sell them, isn't it?.

Yes, with the condition the brain isnt the first one to burn in the fire of passion, and unfortunately thats most often the case.
I liked all your post, nice take on the subject of passion and emotion in mmos and i agree with most of it.
As for being "mimosa sensitiva", its the players who left over Jolt's contract that were being just that.
The Ryzom community was always particularly hard to deal with, a lot harder than WoW or any other game i tried for that matter, and now that you mentioned it, i agree the reason was mostly passion.
One more reason for the new owners to be very careful when and how they say "hi" or who knows what drama could ensue (joking btw )