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mordred3 wrote:

dpi209 wrote:Right to start with, sorry for the long post

First a small correction:
You completely forgot the launcher and the autolauncher... That makes a total of eighteen ranged weapons (six weapons normal/med/high quality) and eighteen ranged ammo plans a crafter can buy, at total ((6*30+6*40+6*50)+18*100 - 30 - 100 =) 2390 SP to spend. There's a total of 30 melee weapon (10 weapons normal/med/high, correct me if I'm wrong) plans for a total of ((10*30+10*40+10*50) - 30 =) 1170 SP a crafter can buy. And the melee weapon crafter won't buy any "double" plans either, so if a ranged crafter has to decide between pistol and bowpistol, rifle and bowrifle and (how unfair to compare) launcher and autolauncher, the same applies to the melee crafter who can decide between sword and axe, mace and staff, pike and lance and so on. Well, doesn't look like the costs were equal...

I didn't forget the launcher and autolauncher, I specifically stated "hunting" guns. You do not "hunt" with a launcher and autolauncher. Considering launcher ammo weighs 45 for 3 shots and autolauncher ammo is lighter but still very expensive for only 6 shots. I did not state these weapons because they have almost no practical use outside of raid. Thus hunting weapons are pistols and rifles.

Skill points really are not the problem. It's cost and effectiveness.

Didn't think I'd be saying this, but I kinda agree with Mordred3. I wouldn't mind the SP costs dropping, it would be nice, but I would rather have the damage/hits-per-minute(/bulk) of ranged fixed. Obviously launchers and autolaunchers will be important once raids become more common, but right now the only reason for pistols and rifles is to try to get the sp's for launchers/autolaunchers, because they are not effective in standard combat.

I do agree with dpi209 on his proposed fixes.

vanderpm wrote:Didn't think I'd be saying this, but I kinda agree with Mordred3. I wouldn't mind the SP costs dropping, it would be nice, but I would rather have the damage/hits-per-minute(/bulk) of ranged fixed. Obviously launchers and autolaunchers will be important once raids becoem more common, but right now the only reason for pistols and rifles is to try to get the sp's for launchers/autolaunchers, because they are not effective in standard combat.

I do agree with dpi209 on his proposed fixes.

mordred3 wrote:Sadly I'm not even sure autolaunchers and launchers would be useful during a raid. I didnt get the chance to use mine during the raid (as I didn't have any ammo crafted and all the NPC's bit the dust).

At least in regards to launcher ammo - at 45 weight for 3 rounds. you can't carry more than a few shots on you. There were a lot more than a "few" Kitins.

I'll admit launcher ammo does good damage and it is AE, but it's limited to I think 7 targets, which is a bit of a dissappointment especially when faced with swarms of 20 or more. And there's no way Im dragging a packer with ammo around with me while there are Kitin hoardes swarming about. It's fun to use, but I just dont see it being that practical. I'm much better off throwing my bomb cold spells then relying on my launcher.