Ryzom

ffxjosh wrote:

I have been neutral only a week, but already I can see the problems. If only there was some way to include us without encroaching on the lore?

I would like to see a possible so that neutral people can be included in the fun in some ways. I am sure that neutral people wouldn't mind working harder for the rewards that are on offer, but excluding them completely is not a good idea.

This game is supposed to give every player A decent chance to do whatever they want. However now I am realizing what all samsara were going on about all this time.

That's just my thoughts

To start I'm not trying to sound cold at all here, but Neutrals really don't have a place in this sort of thing IMO because they are Neutral, unless there were a way to impliment a "mercenary" type status. So that being said if Neutrals want more content for them and everyone else there could be something set up to start rebuilding our overall defenses and cities against Kitin attacks. Or neutrals could start the rebuilding of Homin cities or the like as well!

meloner wrote:how about getting civilisation conflicts involved too ? that way EVERYONE including neutrals can join in.

What about people who are race-neutral, like me?

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how about getting civilisation conflicts involved too ? that way EVERYONE including neutrals can join in.

sprite wrote:What about people who are race-neutral, like me?

Doing something like this would be tricky to say the least!

meloner wrote:how about getting civilisation conflicts involved too ? that way EVERYONE including neutrals can join in. Say the faction wars turn out to become racial wars because emperor dexton decided it should all end and the karavan have to be wiped out to save Atys blablabla. Then there are invasions in the desert of King Yrkanis's royal army and all fyros are asked to protect the empire and vice-versa ? make any sense ?

Agree , Faction isnt just Cult its Race as well but so far this has been neglected on Arispotle , I beleive the other servers have had some Race based conflicts and there was atleast one in Beta (Tryker n Fyros V Matis n Zorai iirc at a wedding in Secret Kami Oasis)

Race conflicts should be limited to Events though imo it makes it too messy to have it as a permanent game mechanic

The thing about neutral, is that you dont decide to be neutral, its what you start as. The only way i see neutrals getting involved is if when you start you can basically decide to join flagged PvP for any side. Therefore when you tag up you choose 1 of the 2 options, and that can then only be changed within a certain time frame.

But then again that also takes away stuff, such as why would you fight for something you dont believe in, why should you be rewarded with honour, when your betraying both sides.

Also involving the diggers and crafters is a must, building plans, and basically the upkeep of buildings is something seriously lacking in Ryzom, and it could well help the economy

Making the currency Dapper mean a little bit more

tigrus wrote:Lets not get into the discussion if neutral belongs here or not.
Lets rather focus on how we can make them join this.



****SO WITH THAT BEING SAID****
How can we best implement the wars between the races, and the factions?
Idea's please.


Il edit main post with your idea's as we go, then il ticket it so Phelan, marjo and the rest see it.

While I agree with you that Neutrals need content too! There are certain things content wise that Neutrals just can't be apart of, logically speaking and using IRL instances take Switzerland for example. They choose to be Neutral during every war or at least WWII, so they were spared fom the war.
They were neither attacked or did any attacking. So now lets throw a little hypothetical situation(s) in here. Switzerland covertly sends troops or weapons to either side, doesn't matter which side, and the opposing side finds out. Are they still Neutral? I think not, and that opposing side would most definately attack them. The only way Neutrals could participate is if there were a full fledged Neutral faction fighting against Kami and Karavan both but they would need to be renamed and their own fame grind implimented and a new set of TPs put into the game too. So ineffect they are not Neutral by definition any more but another faction. So to remain neutral means that they are going to be left out of some of the content, if they are to stay neutral by definition. As I stated above, I totally agree that they need and deserve content there just is no place in a war or conflict scenerio for neutrals to participate and remain Neutral by definition.

Neutrality does not equal abstinence in this game. There is only one faction alignment option that is neither Kami nor Karavan, and it happens to be called "Neutral." This bucket labeled "Neutral" contains diverse idealogies, from abstinent to undecided to hominist to anti-faction to non-standard belief systems (like Trytonism and variants of other factions) to mercenary to multi-factional and more. Considering neutral, in Ryzom, to mean abstinence from conflict likenable to a neutral country in RL is a fallacy that doesn't account for the reality. Neutral political positions can be much more complex than abstinence, because it includes everyone who doesn't want to declare Kami or Karavan for some reason.

katriell wrote:Neutrality does not equal abstinence in this game. There is only one faction alignment option that is neither Kami nor Karavan, and it happens to be called "Neutral." This bucket labeled "Neutral" contains diverse idealogies, from abstinent to undecided to hominist to anti-faction to non-standard belief systems (like Trytonism and variants of other factions) to mercenary to multi-factional and more. Considering neutral, in Ryzom, to mean abstinence from conflict likenable to a neutral country in RL is a fallacy that doesn't account for the reality. Neutral political positions can be much more complex than abstinence, because it includes everyone who doesn't want to declare Kami or Karavan for some reason.

I conscede that point to you, but then those mulit-beliefs need to have their own factions, if they wish to take part in this kind of conflict. To be truely neutral means that you abstain from conflict.

zanthar wrote:I conscede that point to you, but then those mulit-beliefs need to have their own factions, if they wish to take part in this kind of conflict. To be truely neutral means that you abstain from conflict.

My point is that neutral does not necessarily mean "true neutral" in Ryzom. Nor does it need to.