Ryzom

Love it...

Red Sunce and Pelian fight on the "karavan" side for one battle and they get yelled at by kamis (and probably "antiKA karas" too).

KA been putting up with this since the fame change... welcome to the party you kamis

I'm sorry it worked out so badly for you, Red and Sunce. However, it was so very cute that Red and his mom got to fight together on the same team after being on opposite sides for over a year. They kept trying to nuke each other though.

riveit wrote:I'm sorry it worked out so badly for you, Red and Sunce. However, it was so very cute that Red and his mom got to fight together on the same team after being on opposite sides for over a year. They kept trying to nuke each other though.

Maybe she couldn't help it, she probably had the nublet macro'd

Know that I dont speak for everyone when I say this, I just speak in general and I dont completely speak for myself as I have no problem with Red being so indecisive.

Red. I think that maybe a lot of the Kamis are a bit confused. I know I was. I saw that you and Sunce were 'booted' from Kami forums, and then I saw Sunce talking about payment for attending OP battles. I'm still a bit lost as to this whole change. As far as I know all of this is happening because you guys wanted to attack House Etchmarc and Team Spirit and some other Kami did not feel they should/would help in House Etchmarc defense.

Now, like I said, I believe that most Kami think that is the reason you (and others) have dropped out of the Kami Alliance. I believe that has them confused because, well, it's stupid to drop out of an alliance because they wouldn't attack a neutral guild.

Maybe, also, some of the Kami are feeling a bit betrayed as well. From what I hear you've also made an alliance with Omega V? Most of the Kami (that I know, and you know) are a bit soft hearted, and they may think that you've betrayed them. They may think that you will go Karavan and become like Apostles. (I know quite a few Kami were hurt when Jackoba and everyone decided to go Karavan..and then practically Karavan Alliance).

I think it's all confusion and betrayal. When faced with that, people convert it to violence.

Try to stay calm when someone starts whining at you. Try to explain the situation. Understand that many Kamis may be very very confused and lost.

You and Sunce have been fanatical (almost) Kami, and now you're fighting for AA (as an example). It's a quick change.

I wasnt there last night to see what was said, but I bet some of the stuff you heard has been similar to what I have heard. Dont let it get to you like it once did with me. I have since learned that not everyone on the KA side is a bad as I once thought/once experienced. You well know that may on the Kami side aren't bad either. Just have patience with those slow to understand.

edit: anything I said here, such as the desire to have House Etchmarc attacked is not a problem, since you opened yourself to having it released when you started the thread. Hope it doesn't affect you ingame.

*searches pockets for something combustible*

i'm not feeling confused, just finding things hilarious tbh. How you can throw such a tantrum because we refused to break a defensive pact and attack a neutral guild is quite beyond me.

run away! run away! TS has principles.. noobs

It's PvPs fault that...

Oh hang on, just a flashback

Funny thing is, I went Kara for personal reasons, and got sad tells from Kami, but hate tells from some of the Kara...

Weird world.

Red, I'm with Keiko here. It was all very confusing and after you and Sunce had been bashing how bad the kami alliance was working (to your point of view), everyone thought you guys just left.

And to see you on the defending side in loria last night was just the last thing a lot of peeps could stand from both of you I think.

Don't be surprised to get bashed if you (or Sunce) have been complaining about how bad the Kami's were on the forums.

And no its not only cause you fought for the KA last night a lot of us are fed up with you, its just the last thing we could take...


*personal opinion*

raven41 wrote:
3- You probably only helped AA becuase Kiwi (I beleive it was 'flirted with you'?)on the forum.. (Cant even remember the exact words now, But LOL non the less)

This is quite sad. It seems the kami are so ignorant, that they can not possibly see that something might be wrong with their own alliance? Why must you blame other people for your mistakes? Kami, it is nobodys fault but your own that you treat your fellow kamis poorly. Why, I am sure if you treated red with any respect, he would have supported TS. However, you can't seem to listen to redslayer. What he is telling you must be lies! Lets blame somebody else! What kind of attitude is that? It is with that kind of an attitude that makes an alliance fall apart. Kami, you complain kara are crushing you, but really, you are crushing yourself with this horrible attitude. I do hope that someday you can all get over yourselves and see that....This is a game!

kiwi2 wrote:This is quite sad. It seems the kami are so ignorant, that they can not possibly see that something might be wrong with their own alliance? Why must you blame other people for your mistakes? Kami, it is nobodys fault but your own that you treat your fellow kamis poorly. Why, I am sure if you treated red with any respect, he would have supported TS. However, you can't seem to listen to redslayer. What he is telling you must be lies! Lets blame somebody else! What kind of attitude is that? It is with that kind of an attitude that makes an alliance fall apart. Kami, you complain kara are crushing you, but really, you are crushing yourself with this horrible attitude. I do hope that someday you can all get over yourselves and see that....This is a game!

You speak like have a clue about the workings of the kami alliance, yes some people are not going to be happy with their actions but not everyone, and certainly not the people who know them.
Red and sunce i had my rant at you ingame, and as i said there, what i said was only said because i prefer to tell you things to your face, and i hope i wasnt too harsh What you do is your choice, and people get worked up bout it only cos of the work we have all put into trying to make the alliance work, but as i said the sunce today, whatever you deside to do as long as you are happy with your decision thats all that matters, there are always going to be people who have a go, i get it every day i play, i get blammed for plenty of things but we have an ignore list for a reason

Have fun in whatever you deside to do with your time on atys, some of the people i respect the most on atys are those who deside not to follow the "norm" of picking sides.
Back when outposts came out i tried my best not to let outposts become faction based and there are still some karavan guilds i will not attack, i hope you find whatever you do on atys fun, after all it is only a game (prolly the only part of kiwi's post i agree with lol)

Tbh, i don't recall much of anyone whinging about the kara crushing the kami, That, my dear Kiwi comes from arrogance and your own imagination, although sometimes it may seem to you that it is a legitamate feeling, it is not one shared by all the kami.
Red and Sunce, the reason you may have got such a strong reaction from some kami in this is because 1 minute you were almost too fanatical kami than most kami, then the next day it was completely the opposite. If you were always kind of on the fence, then no one would have really cared who you fought for. Now we all now where you side (which is on either) then this feeling will die down to the point where people don't really mind, and you will get much less of a reaction either way, no matter who you fight for or against. Just hold up in there and things will die down to an even indifference from both sides, don't worry.

Kodel.