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Re: Message to Phelan. Important

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:27 am
by great83
mithur wrote: Losing "honor" points if the kill was harvesting and with pick in hand at first strike.
in my eyes there is no problem killing someone that is diggin and should never be penilize for it and/or look down upon for doing so.

in LoU you have supernodes that were meant to be fought over by guilds, it is why the area is guild vs guild PvP. and if you are killed outside of LoU by another player while you are diggin then it is your own fault for having your PvP flag on.

there is no reason to have your PvP tag on unless you are ready to be attacked and killed.

Re: Message to Phelan. Important

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:45 am
by Phelan
Ok.. I ran through the company asking about the honor system. only few knew about it. This feature was linked to episode2, and, apparently was discussed highly controversial in the community. I will follow it up, but there is some discussion to be done.
On the healing bug, we are working on a fix, but it might still take some time. I keep you posted.

Re: Message to Phelan. Important

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:46 am
by thlau
setstyle wrote: To give you an idea of how messed up this system is, I accidentally healed a tagged Kami and stayed and team. As soon as I cast a bomb heal on my Karavan teammates, however, I got kicked out. Huh?
If you could heal him, he wasn't PvP flagged in that moment.
You should be always able to heal every other homin, that isn't PvP flagged. Tagged or not, and no matter if you are tagged, flagged, or both.

Faction tagged is not the same as PvP flagged. So that part isn't a bug.

If you heal a faction tagged member that is attacked by an opposite faction tagged member, and you are are tagged yourself, you become involved in PvP and getPvP flagged yourself. As long as there is atleast one non PvP flagged member in the team, the team will break, and that is not a bug. That way it isn't not wise to invite non PvP flagged homin in a team that is already involved in PvP action.

If this situation occurs while every member of a given team is Faction tagged and PvP flagged, then it is a bug.
So did you try that?

Re: Message to Phelan. Important

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:48 am
by thlau
Phelan wrote:Ok.. I ran through the company asking about the honor system. only few knew about it. This feature was linked to episode2, and, apparently was discussed highly controversial in the community. I will follow it up, but there is some discussion to be done.
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As far as I know it was disabled, because it was exploitable.
Friends in opposite factions could kill each other and gain honor points for that.

Re: Message to Phelan. Important

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:01 am
by thlau
blaah wrote: ...because for fighters, there were no point (no faction point reward) for protecting diggers from kitins
True, and that was bad.
blaah wrote: ...because for fighters, there were no point (no faction point reward) for protecting diggers from enemy faction
Wrong. When you killed a opposite faction fighter, you received honor points.

Re: Message to Phelan. Important

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:26 am
by tigrus
Phelan wrote:Ok.. I ran through the company asking about the honor system. only few knew about it. This feature was linked to episode2, and, apparently was discussed highly controversial in the community. I will follow it up, but there is some discussion to be done.
On the healing bug, we are working on a fix, but it might still take some time. I keep you posted.

Thanks a ton Phelan, all I needed to know :)
You rawk :)

As for the rest of you, I would LOVE it if they found a way to remove the PR gank part of honor points.
If you are digging with your tag on its a completely different story imho.

Re: Message to Phelan. Important

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:01 am
by flume641
tigrus wrote:Thanks a ton Phelan, all I needed to know :)
You rawk :)

As for the rest of you, I would LOVE it if they found a way to remove the PR gank part of honor points.
If you are digging with your tag on its a completely different story imho.
i agree on the Digging with tag, if you get jumped, its your own to blame.

Re: Message to Phelan. Important

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:31 am
by mithur
tigrus wrote:Thanks a ton Phelan, all I needed to know :)
You rawk :)

As for the rest of you, I would LOVE it if they found a way to remove the PR gank part of honor points.
If you are digging with your tag on its a completely different story imho.
I can't see myself saying this, but... I fully agree.

If you are digging tagged, go on, that's your problem.
great83 wrote: in my eyes there is no problem killing someone that is diggin and should never be penilize for it and/or look down upon for doing so.
But... if you give honor points for killings, even the foragers, the PR and nexus will be a gankerfest, people searching for foragers to kill and get honor points. No need of kitin patrols, then :P

The other thing, about exploit the system is true... friends can kill each other. But... you can make a temporal limit, maybe... don't give you honor points if you kill someone in an hour or so. In OP battle (If honor applies to that) that will become in a "searching new target", not sure if that's good...

Re: Message to Phelan. Important

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:53 am
by tr808
Where is the honour in killing some1 more then 2 times in a hour? That should fix it :P

Re: Message to Phelan. Important

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:02 pm
by great83
mithur wrote: But... if you give honor points for killings, even the foragers, the PR and nexus will be a gankerfest, people searching for foragers to kill and get honor points. No need of kitin patrols, then :P
if the honor points are tied to faction how they were they only should be rewarded for FvF PvP, LoU and the nexus are GvG.