Ryzom

As it sits now, with the change, it is going to take people longer to download, install, patch and get into the game than it is going to take them to hit the level caps. I can see a lot of people doing just that and saying Thank You Nevrax for the waste of my time, and word tends to get around. If you are going to offer a trial at all, at least make it worth the time involved to download etc, I would rather see them put a time limit on the trial like it used to be than to see it go this route. Between this and the setup they have with Paybycash for people that either do not have or do not wish to use a credit card I can see them losing a lot of possible subscribers

Well, the problem I can see with limiting the trial to 14 days... many casual players won't get NEAR the level cap in 14 days. With an unlimited time to explore the isle, get used to the game mechanics, etc... the isle offers a good bargain. Just my 2 dappers

kattan wrote:As it sits now, with the change, it is going to take people longer to download, install, patch and get into the game than it is going to take them to hit the level caps. I can see a lot of people doing just that and saying Thank You Nevrax for the waste of my time, and word tends to get around. If you are going to offer a trial at all, at least make it worth the time involved to download etc, I would rather see them put a time limit on the trial like it used to be than to see it go this route. Between this and the setup they have with Paybycash for people that either do not have or do not wish to use a credit card I can see them losing a lot of possible subscribers

I started because of the unlimited free trial, unlimited time and exp. I knew within a few days if I liked this game enough to pay for a sub or not. I just read a post ( Ryzom moves on - so will I, Goodbye al l) by someone who had been playing on Newb Isle for at least 3 months. They were crying about how the exp block was not fair after they had leveled 3 different characters to 50. But he says he still was not sure if he would have payed for a sub and that he was still confused about how to do things. I think that is complete and utter Yubo poop.

They main thing they are offering is a TRIAL, not a free subscription. It seems there are some folks that are trying to take advantage of the trial to play forever. If you really cannot decide if you like a game within the first month of playing it, you don't need to play it. If you are having trouble figuring out the game mechanics after a month you don't need to play it. They have every right to put a exp cap on if they want. you can still play for an unlimited amount of time, but you will not have the luxery of getting as high a level as you could have. They have to protect thier interest from folks that are willing to abuse the system to play forever and never subscribe.

If these folks want to play a game for free with unlimited cap there are several mmorpg's out there that will let them do it. Granted they are not nearly as good as Ryzom, but if you don't want to pay. you shouldn't get to play.


One last thing, they are only charging you for the sub, they are giving you the software for free, most every other game you have to PAY for the software and then you get to play the game.

arganosh wrote:One last thing, they are only charging you for the sub, they are giving you the software for free, most every other game you have to PAY for the software and then you get to play the game.

This is an often overlooked benefit to the game. Now that you mention it... I don't think it's marketed enough.

- Free trial with no time limit
- Free full game client, no software to buy!

These two bullet points should be marketed like crazy.

I'm sorry for those who lost their levels. (Do you get them back when you pay? I hope so.)

This does however address a problem with the game. As lots of the refugees joining the mainland have been much higher level than the game were designed to. They land in their race's capital which is a huge QL50 area and have almost outleveled the area. This means that a really nice area is never expored, that QL50 XP crystals becomes useless, that low level crafters don't sell their stuff.

Before RoS the general answer for "when to join the ML" was level 20.

cloudy97 wrote:I'm sorry for those who lost their levels. (Do you get them back when you pay? I hope so.)

it's almost quiet in forum, so nobody lost levels . level cap comes from that you cant get xp when you on trial user and you are lvl 21 or higher.

rothimar wrote:- Free trial with no time limit
- Free full game client, no software to buy!

Unlimited free trial, with these limits:
- No exp past level 21.
- No leaving the starting island.

Sorry...I appreciate those points quoted, but I object to their still calling it an "unlimited" trial.

I think this was a very good move, free trials are great and necessary but this was more like offering a full game for free. A trials purpose is to offer a teaser and bring more subscriptions, not to bring a lot of players that either want to play for free or need months of free play before they can decide...to try another game....i think more players would have subscribed if they didnt have the option to just play for free for so long. The only players affected and unhappy with the changes are the ones that would never had subscribed anyway so no loss for Nevrax. Lv21 on four skill branches and unlimited time is more than enough to figure if you want to subscribe or not, and this game just like any other game lives from these subscriptions.

bwadman wrote:1. absolutely not. there were so many things at lvl 21 that i didn't know about.
2. no because it is an unlimited free trial, not a limited until you pay trial. this is blackmail
3. complete mis-advertising. putting a limit on a trail advertised as unlimited is straight up lying
4. at lvl 21 i still felt lost and kind of confused. for one, there is the issue of the new growth tree between lvl 20 and lvl 50. it was the players over 30 that really helped me figure things out. also there is the matter of the kriosta in the Prime Root jungle. you would need 20 or so characters at lvl 20 to fight againts it and there would still probably be massive casualties.

don't get me wrong, i really love this game. however, i was shocked and dissapointed to learn today of the new restrictions that had been put on my "unlimited" free trial. i'm going to stop playing now for a while and check in occasionally to see what's up. but unless things change or i magically find enough free time to make it worth paying $15 a month, i probably wont be playing ryzom again.

1 and 4 . The whole explore/discover for your self apparently doesnt appeal to you, why should you be led by the hand until you are 250, if you dont get it by 21 and need to be spoon fed, maybe this game isn't for you. If you are confused by the game at any level, someone will always help you out on the mainland.

2 and 3. Get over it theres no such thing as a free lunch, the reason I say that so harshly is because of your next paragraph :

but unless things change or i magically find enough free time to make it worth paying $15 a month, i probably wont be playing ryzom again

You dont have time to make use of a $15 pm account, so you are just freeloading because its free, you apparently never intend to open an account anyway.

rushin wrote: But equally i dont understand why you think this will reduce the % of ppl converting to a paying account, it would seem to me this would increase as all the ppl looking for a free game will go somewhere else and ppl who actually want to see whats what will still try the trial, there is no detrimental effect to that.

It is based on my own experience and that of several friends. My own experience was that by level 21 or so, I did not really know enough about the game to be sure I wanted to play it. I wasn't about to pay for a game I didn't know if I wanted to pay for, just to see if it was (after paying) worth it. Before level 21, I did not have many stanzas or skills, and I had not even realized you need to work hard on the upgrades (hp and stamina, for instance) so I was lagging in those. My character's performance was pretty awful. Given that, I might've just thought Ryzom was "too hard" for me and given up.

But I knew that I could go to near level 50 easily on the island, so I said "What have I got to lose if I keep playing?" And also since there wasn't a time limit, there was no rush. I therefore took my time, logging in occasionally to gain a level here, a level there. A couple of weeks later I was near 50 in most skills, and I had gotten those upgrades "in", and my character's performance had gone way up, and suddenly it didn't seem so "hard" anymore -- not because I was used to it as a level 21, but because as a level 50 I had finally gotten enough skills in and most importantly upgrades, to have a somewhat useful/efficient character. Now it seemed like I would be able to play the game successfully (which it did NOT, in the low 20s), so I subscribed.

Anyone with an experience remotely like mine, would just uninstall after hitting level 21. You'll lose ALL of those people... and for what?

I just can't conceive of any circumstance in which blocking people at level 21 is going to increase sales. I believe anyone who thinks so is just kidding himself. But we shall see what happens I guess.

C