Ryzom

I agree with the posts above noting that PR diggers are "fair game." "Fair game" does not equate to "honorable." I would just remind any fellow Fyros, that we are supposed to live by a Code of Honor. I cannot imagine that killing PR diggers is an honorable deed under any Code of Honor and can only hope that we conduct ourselves in a way that does not bring shame and disgrace on our race.

Honour and fairness are dirty words these days...
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johntf wrote:I dont like people luring for no reason but to me its as legal as attacking someone with a sword, if they didnt want luring to be possible they should have programmed the game better.

I suggest reading the CoC and the thread souls created a while ago stressing that aggro dragging was not legal. Therefore it is not equal to attacking someone with a sword. Again, if you enter a GvG zone and ignore all the warning and decide to stay, you're not a helpless innocent victim. You chose to stay, you chose to make yourself a possible target, and therefore have to right to complain if you get killed. Suck it up and either dig elsewhere or remove the ganker.

A person walks along a path, when they notice a sign: "MINE FIELD STARTS IN 30 METERS"
the person continues on their way when they come to another sign "MINE FIELD STARTS IN 25 METERS"
The person continues on their way still, receiving a similar sign every 5 meters until they came to this sign "THIS IS A MINE FIELD. THESE MINES ARE LIVE"
Still, the person presses on... for all of 5 meters...
KABOOOOOOM!
the last thought the person had: "but I stepped on a mine?!?"

pyrrhon wrote:I agree with the posts above noting that PR diggers are "fair game." "Fair game" does not equate to "honorable." I would just remind any fellow Fyros, that we are supposed to live by a Code of Honor. I cannot imagine that killing PR diggers is an honorable deed under any Code of Honor and can only hope that we conduct ourselves in a way that does not bring shame and disgrace on our race.

When at war, you target the opponents weapons factories as well as its soldiers. Diggers/crafters collect valuable resources (resources that could be put to use on the gankers side) and create weapons for the opposing faction. Therefore killing the digger prevents the collecting of mats and hopefully stopping them from arming another warrior. This tactic has been used IG and IRL for a long time. Is it honor sparing a digger, but having them arm 15 warriors that then kill your guildies? or is honor killing the digger to spare your guildies from being killed? There is no right answer.

totnkopf wrote:I suggest reading the CoC and the thread souls created a while ago stressing that aggro dragging was not legal. Therefore it is not equal to attacking someone with a sword. Again, if you enter a GvG zone and ignore all the warning and decide to stay, you're not a helpless innocent victim. You chose to stay, you chose to make yourself a possible target, and therefore have to right to complain if you get killed. Suck it up and either dig elsewhere or remove the ganker.
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Looked but I couldnt find it and well im not saying its not in the code of conduct im questioning the logic behind it though which is shakey to say the least, basicly its like tie'ing my hands and giving the other guy a knife.

And lol I certainly dont need to be told to suck it up, you wont ever hear me moan about being killed by someone outside of a guild chat ingame. Just in my opinion if its fair enough to attack someone because they know they are vunerable then why isn't it fair to say use the enviroment around me ie mobs to my own defence against a greater armed attacker ? Not only is it slightly illogical its also rather strange in the rp fashion. I mean if someone goes out of town to where they are vunerable to mobs that makes them a valid target for mobs by the same logic as a person moving into a zone where they can be pvp'd can get attacked by players.

The way that works it gives the pkers a distinct advantage.

johntf wrote:Looked but I couldnt find it and well im not saying its not in the code of conduct im questioning the logic behind it though which is shakey to say the least, basicly its like tie'ing my hands and giving the other guy a knife.

theres nothing saying you can't have a knife too. Just because you're in focus gear doesn't mean you have to die or that you can't kill the ganker. They're not tying your hands at all, you just chose not to draw your own. Also, theres this whole part of town thats "knife-free", but you chose to stay in the Knife area. Imagine the person from the mine story, but instead of mines someone stabbing them. And if they'd just gone the opposite direction, there were no signs and no stabbings.

The way that works it gives the pkers a distinct advantage.

sigh.... only if you dig where they can get to you.... if you don't want to be ganked, then go dig where they can't get to you. Its just that simple. If you're not tagged up and not in GvG area, they can't do squat.

johntf wrote: The way that works it gives the pkers a distinct advantage.

It doesn't give the PKer any particular advantage, they can drag aggro just as easily as the diggers. Legalize it and they'll be dragging as part of the attack.

totnkopf wrote:theres nothing saying you can't have a knife too. Just because you're in focus gear doesn't mean you have to die or that you can't kill the ganker. They're not tying your hands at all, you just chose not to draw your own. Also, theres this whole part of town thats "knife-free", but you chose to stay in the Knife area. Imagine the person from the mine story, but instead of mines someone stabbing them. And if they'd just gone the opposite direction, there were no signs and no stabbings.


sigh.... only if you dig where they can get to you.... if you don't want to be ganked, then go dig where they can't get to you. Its just that simple. If you're not tagged up and not in GvG area, they can't do squat.

By time time someone is in range enough for me to be able to see if they are going to attack or not, then taking into the account the time taken to change into any gear thats even close to alright us.

And again inconsitant logic only if I dig where a person can attack me yes, but they are also in an area where mobs can get to them I still dont see the exact chain of logic that would make using the mobs to help defend myself wrong.

And yes Serachii they could drag mobs but I've a much easier time knowing if someone on my radar is dangerous if I see a bunch of mobs following them, even if they werent dangerous id move so that I could come back as res them.

I'm not saying id lke to see agro dragging more than I would more pking, I'm just saying the logic is inconsitant and it's a bit unfair, besides if I had to do it I wouldnt worry id botters only get a warning I'd quite happily lure on someone in defence if I had to.

johntf wrote:By time time someone is in range enough for me to be able to see if they are going to attack or not, then taking into the account the time taken to change into any gear thats even close to alright us.

use your 250m radar and assume someone is hostile... You have auras such as melee protection or magic that allow you enough time to TP out. You can run away just as fast as they can run after you. The list of things you can do goes on for miles. If you just sit there and assume they're friendly, then whose fault is it when you get nuked? its not the gankers. You were in a GvG zone and were a valid target. Theres a reason the supremes are located in either aggro heavy areas or pvp areas. They're meant to be hard to get.

Also how many screenshot do you think it would take for those warnings to turn to bans? get away with one or two, then all of a sudden its vacation time. You could say "well, if he ganks me, I'll just hack his account". Both are against the CoC. Perhaps Ryzom has some crucial security flaw that allows easy hacking. Does that make it legal? no, course not. Same applies to aggro dragging. Bad coding or not, its not legal.


For the last time, if you don't want to be ganked, then don't place yourself in a position where its even an option!!!

Ohhhh PvP etiquette !!! Let me see if I can think about something


* Restrict the number of victims to one, and be brief.

* do NOT KILL In CAPITALS, it's considered bad manners or SHOUTING-

* When badmouthing a player, don't quote the entire insult you're replying to. Quoting can often help,It gives some useful context, but too much will affect other killers and be considered spam.

* Do not kill offtopic. If a carnage has a very specific topic or reason, stick to it. If you prefer, invite your enemy to another region, quoting him if necessary and kill him in that new region.


* Try not to kill the same player again and again in different (although related) regions, this is known as "cross-killing" and it's frowned upon. Select the most appropriate region to kill him.


* When killing a player "in revenge", use quoted text carefully

* Use ASCII characters to denote emphasis (i.e. *asterisks* and >>wickets<< rather than your language or weird HTML codes) for example
* pwned * and not PWNED.



* Don't assume everyone understands abbreviations, acronyms, slang and regionalisms. Better use ("And I shall strike thee down, insipid simpleton" rather than "OMGPNWEDoneoneone"

* Kill in appropriate timezones.



* Double-check your actions before killing. Running a "action proofreader" to your hands bar is a good thing.


* Don't Nuke without thinking. Take your time to think when your enemy is sweeping the floor with you and better kill him next day, cool down.

* Be conservative in how you pwn and liberal in how you are pwned.

* In general terms, PK others as you would like to be PKEd.



Always glad to be helpful

Ani

just to interrupt totnkopf's and johntf's little chat for a moment...

what is considered acceptable or not is down to individual players or guilds. we all have our own idea of honor and fairness, some couldnt care less, others are strict on how they engage in PvP.

It doesnt take long to see how people are, so long as you dont make the mistake of expecting others to behave as you would things will be ok

killing /afk & diggers is considered a bit rubbish, mostly. there are exceptions in players and exceptions in other ways - such as supernodes and events (the temple building for example).

...please continue