Ryzom

Hmmm, I can't really vote either way.

I don't see much to appeal to me. I expect it will be like Jayce says, shiny new toy for a short while, then it'll stagnate and players will loose interest. If Spires were only in the planning stages, I'd vote "No, don't waste time on it."

But it's already largely completed, and I don't see it being a potential disaster large enough to warrant throwing away all the work they've already done on it. Better give us something than nothing.

The neutrals have already lost all their high-level, PR and town altars. It's been said they won't be affected by Spires, so implementing those doesn't take anything away from them anymore.

From the looks of that document, it'll only take something away from the PvPers, and then only if they choose to take it away. If all zones remain neutral, nothing changes for anyone. If the Kami take Void and the Karavan take GoC, both sides loose the ability to teleport into a high level zone in exchange for... higher regeneration rates in the zone they keep? Personally I'd immediatly approach the other side and offer to destroy my own spire if they'll destroy theirs

Or am I reading something wrong here?

Didn't vote, I was hoping Spires PVP would be connected to Civilization and not yet another Karavan vs Kami war. Civilization is currently unused and useless, and the four sides could be a more complex system than K vs K.

Spires will not affect untagged players at all. Tagging up to dig more effectively exposes you to a new enemy. For better and worse.

sidusar wrote:From the looks of that document, it'll only take something away from the PvPers, and then only if they choose to take it away.

Alas any member of the Kami/Karavan suffers from Spires TP blocking. But only tagged people get Buffs/Debuffs.

ok and rothimar:

Polls show the responses of a proportion of the community that uses the forums. It would be safe to say that:

Players of the intersections of the subsets:
1. Read the forums
2. Noticed this particular thread
3. Care enough to vote

appear to be more against Spires than for them. Is this sufficiently precise for you?

Forum polls are the only viable player based oppinion polling method available. They are as close as you are gonna get short of sticking a "VOTE NOW!" forum on the loading screen that wont let you in-game until you voted.

Unless you propose to show a direct correlation between forum use and dislike of PVP?

Dont mean to be flamey, but this is a reasonable portion of the server population for analysis based on my understanding of the subject.

aardnebb wrote:Unless you propose to show a direct correlation between forum use and dislike of PVP?

Well, one can correlate forum participation with greater interest in and care for a game, greater involvement in the community and other similar factors.

Take that for what you will.

grimjim wrote:Well, one can correlate forum participation with greater interest in and care for a game, greater involvement in the community and other similar factors.

Take that for what you will.

Or just having a big mouth like me

aardnebb wrote:Alas any member of the Kami/Karavan suffers from Spires TP blocking. But only tagged people get Buffs/Debuffs.

Ah, it would seem you're right. But then there should've been a reason to join a faction and then go through life untagged in the first place. That reason was only created when the neutrals lost their teleport access to PR and purple regions. We ended up with a lot of players who weren't interested in faction wars and only joined a faction so they could keep their teleport access into those regions, and they're the ones who'll potentially suffer most from the spires.

So what if they just give neutral their teleport access back? Then only those who are really interested in the faction wars have reason to join a faction, and everyone who isn't interested can stay neutral and not suffer any penalties.

sidusar wrote:So what if they just give neutral their teleport access back? Then only those who are really interested in the faction wars have reason to join a faction, and everyone who isn't interested can stay neutral and not suffer any penalties.

This would give me a special warm, fuzzy feeling in the cockles of my heart. Maybe even in the sub-cockle area.

sidusar wrote:So what if they just give neutral their teleport access back? Then only those who are really interested in the faction wars have reason to join a faction, and everyone who isn't interested can stay neutral and not suffer any penalties.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winning suggestion.

Remove the neutral nerf!

aardnebb wrote:Forum polls are the only viable player based oppinion polling method available. They are as close as you are gonna get short of sticking a "VOTE NOW!" forum on the loading screen that wont let you in-game until you voted.

I believe suggestion tickets submitted in game are given more consideration than forum polls, actually. There's a good many new people in game that aren't vocal on the forums yet, and their opinions matter just as much as any of ours.

It is likely that Andarr, being a newer member of the community himself, would be more in touch with the majority opinion among the newcomers than he would with the longer term players (those with accounts a year or more old).

This poll was set up very simply, to provide a place to discuss a planned feature that is most likely already near done with the development phase. I don't expect it to be used by the devs, but rather by us, members of the community.

aardnebb wrote:Remove the neutral nerf!

*shrug* In light of this document, I really don't see why not.

The factions, as a whole, apparently have the option not to use spires at all. In that case nothing changes, everyone keeps their TPs, nobody looses anything or gain anythings. The only problem is that there's bound to be some people who do want to fight over spires, and the people who don't want to fight can't really stop them but do suffer the (only negative) consequences. So give everyone individually the option to choose for the situation that would arise if spires aren't used at all: Keep all their TPs but don't participate in any spire battles.

Those who choose to get involved gain their spire bonuses but pay for it by loosing half of their TPs, and those who choose to stay out gain nothing from it but keep all their TPs. Everybody happy. Or at least equally unhappy