Ryzom

why does PvP turn people into jerks? is it a battle of geekism or something to see who can sit at a computer screen the longest juggling pixals. PvP isnt player v Player, its Geek V Geek, with the biggest geek winning. Gratz on that. Now get on with the lore, its why we are here

kiexa wrote:why does PvP turn people into jerks? is it a battle of geekism or something to see who can sit at a computer screen the longest juggling pixals. PvP isnt player v Player, its Geek V Geek, with the biggest geek winning. Gratz on that. Now get on with the lore, its why we are here

Thats what the bad pvpers say...

kiexa wrote:why does PvP turn people into jerks?

apparently it does not change them into jerks....They have not 'evolved' beyond PvP yet


http://open.bbc.co.uk/newmediaresearch/ ... earch.html

interesting reading.

tigrus wrote:Thats what the bad pvpers say...

Actually no, but lets not go there - its much to reminiscent of the WoW arguements of what a 'hardcore' player entailed.



I do not think having PvP titles would do anything to further the storyline or improve game play both of which I feel are the most important considerations.

talismar wrote:Actually no, but lets not go there - its much to reminiscent of the WoW arguements of what a 'hardcore' player entailed.



I do not think having PvP titles would do anything to further the storyline or improve game play both of which I feel are the most important considerations.

So, because they use a few hours to implement something that easy. The rest of us cant have it?... ok..
I see both sides of the story. But i dont really understand how it can hurt?
its just a title

tigrus wrote:So, because they use a few hours to implement something that easy. The rest of us cant have it?... ok..
I see both sides of the story. But i dont really understand how it can hurt?
its just a title

No, it isn't. It is 'I am the best'. It isn't just a title.

For me it comes down to this, historically RPGs are not competetive, they're about cooperation toward a common goal and using interrelated skills and working as a team toward that end. The challenges and rivals are created by a neutral third party (the GM or developer) in order to - hopefully - provide an entertaining challenge at an appropriate level of difficulty to the ability and prowess of the group.

Competition, rivalry, etc has, historically had little place in RPGs and with good reason. In large scale games in particular it encourages this one-upmanship mindset and appeals to the extremely competetive who don't mix well with the RPer/Builder archetypes.

Needing lots of kills to get something shiny, even if it were just a title, would just encourage ganking and whip the competetive types up into a destructive frenzy.

Nicely presented points Grimjim.
I will remain neutral and Guess I have nothing to add until the Pro PvP present a valid reason(s) to implement titles.

*waits to be convinced*

I think you missed the point of ryzom, its charm and its community when you played the game.

I have three words to sum up 99% of the paying customers response to more pvp ingame

DO NOT WANT!

If you want a game with more pvp there's WoW and a thousand other mindless peices of rubbish that require no skill or talent whatsoever here, don't try and tarnish our game and make it a honeytrap for morons.

Listen, i am not trying to KILL the game in any way.
But there are those that pvp in the game.

PvP doesnt make a person bad. And there are ALOT of competition in the game. There is in the entire world. In everything.

If you are a weaponscrafter you would be after making THE best weapons?
yes, maybe to teach away how. But still the feeling of being good at what you do is cherished.

its the same with pvp.
If the system punishes ganking and rewards solo fighting. You will also see more of it.

Its just my 2 cents. and just for the record.
I am not a l33t3r. I dont scream omg i fu**** pwned you. I am l33t with my ub3r skillz.

I love pvp, because i love the feeling of being good at what i do. Being top class. Does that make me a bad person?

tigrus wrote:Listen, i am not trying to KILL the game in any way.
But there are those that pvp in the game.

PvP doesnt make a person bad. And there are ALOT of competition in the game. There is in the entire world. In everything.

In response: prior to the ring the main large updates I have seen in the _entire_ length of my subscription are:

Episode 2 (PVP only content)
Fame patch (introduced FvF PVP Flags)
Outposts (PVP only content)
Ruins of Silan (newbie island content)

See why people have had enough PvP stuff and want the Ring, the Kitin Lair etc?

There is plenty of PvP content already, with Spires still to come.

Not saying PvP content is bad, only "PVP ONLY" content is bad since it excludes a _huge_ proportion of the player base.

And we have had enough PvP stuff put in for a while thanks... more non-PvP is what we want right now.

There are other titles that have been "in progress" far longer than PvP titles...