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Re: Faction/Race explained
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:03 pm
by gralen
sidusar wrote:
Factions
gaining fame with the Kami will not gain you any Fyros or Corsair fame (but will lose you some Karavan fame).
This is actually incorrect. If you do a Welcomer (Kami or Karavan) you
only gain fame, you
do not lose any fame at all. This can easily be verified in the sys info window. Ambassador missions (Kami or Karavan in a tribal location) do function as you describe.
Other than this one correction, that's a great summary Sidusar.
Re: Faction/Race explained
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:08 pm
by whiterider
Hmm, how does one kill faction fame, then?
Re: Faction/Race explained
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:41 pm
by sidusar
Thanks for the proofreading!
I've done some missions for a Karavan Welcomer recently - I'm pretty sure it also said "You lost fame with the Kami". Though as said this secondary effect is smaller so maybe it's zero for missions that only give a little fame? I'll check again.
Kami and Karavan ambassadors give fame as if they were tribe welcomers, yes.
Re: Faction/Race explained
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 4:14 pm
by gcaldani
This is a table as a result of a research I did a lot of time ago. There are 6 tribes missed, despite I'm sure I've done missions for Slavers, but seems I didn't wrote back the results.
I already posted this table in the forum, but now I removed the fame values, that are just related to my race and not important in this context.
Names in parenthesis are the tribe names as they appear in the fame window list.
All the tribe missions were taken from the Tribe Welcomer only (even the tribes that kos me).
Color Legend: Gain Fame Lose Fame
# KARAVAN TRIBES
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01 Antikamis Karavan Kami, Zora
02 Barkers Karavan Kami
03 Black Circle Karavan Kami
04 Chlorogoos Karavan Kami
05 Darkening Sap Karavan, Matis Kami, Zorai
06 Firebrands Karavan Kami
07 Goo Heads Karavan Kami, Zorai
08 Green Seed Karavan, Matis, Tryker Kami
09 Kitin Gatherers Karavan Kami
10 Lawless Karavan Kami, Fyros
11 Master Of The Goo Karavan Kami, Zorai
12 Matisian Border Guards Karavan Kami, First Deserters
13 Night Turners Karavan Kami
14 Oasis Diggers Karavan, Fyros Kami
15 Renegades Karavan Kami, Fyros
16 Root Tappers Karavan, Fyros, Tryker Kami
17 Sap Slaves Karavan, Matis Kami, Ancient Dryads
18 Scorchers Karavan Kami, Fyros, Fraiders
19 Silt Sculptors Karavan, Tryker Kami
20 Slavers Karavan Kami, Tryker
21 Smugglers Karavan Kami
22 The Arid Matis Karavan, Matis Kami, Woven Bridles
23 The Kuild Karavan, Matis Kami, The Company of Eternal Tree, Recoverers
24 The Slash And Burn Karavan Kami, Matis
# KAMI TRIBES
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01 Ancient Dryads Kami Karavan, Matis, Sap Slaves
02 Beachcombers Kami Karavan
03 Cockroaches Kami Karavan
04 Company of the Eternal Tree Kami, Zorai Karavan, Kuild
05 Corsairs Kami, Tryker Karavan
06 Dune Riders Kami Karavan
07 Ecowarriors Kami, Zorai, Tryker Karavan
08 First Deserter Kami Karavan, Matis, Matisian Border Guards
09 Frahar Hunters Kami, Fyros Karavan
10 Hamazans Of The Dead Seed Kami Karavan
11 Icon Worshippers Kami, Zorai Karavan
12 Keepers Kami Karavan
13 Lagoon Brothers Kami Karavan, Tryker, Cuzans
14 Leviers Kami, Fyros Karavan
15 Pyromancers Kami, Fyros Karavan
16 Recoverers Kami Karavan, Kuild
17 Sacred Sap Kami, Zorai Karavan, Matis
18 Sap Gleaners Kami Karavan
19 Shadow Runners Kami, Tryker Karavan
20 Siblings of the Weeds Kami, Zorai Karavan
21 Tutors Kami, Zorai Karavan
22 Watchers(Restorers) Kami, Fyros Karavan
23 Water Breakers Kami, Fyros Karavan
24 Woven Bridles Kami Karavan, Matis, The Arid Matis
# PRIMITIVE TRIBES(*)
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1 Cuzans (Cute) Karavan Kami, Lagoon Brothers
2 Fraiders (Frahar) Karavan Kami, Scorchers
3 Gibads (Gibbay) Kami Karavan
# CITIZENS (**)
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Fyros
Fyros
Frahars Hunters
Leviers
Oasis Diggers
Pyromances
Watchers
Root Tappers
Water Breakers
Lawless
Renegades
Scorchers
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Matis
Matis
Darkening Sap
Green Seed
Sap Slaves
The Arid Matis
Kuild
Ancient Dryads
First Deserters
Sacred Sap
The Slash and Burn
Woven Bridles
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Zorai
Zorai
The Company of Eternal Tree
Ecowarriors
Icon Worshippers
Sacred Sap
Siblings of the Weeds
Tutors
Antikamis
Darkening Sap
Goo Heads
Master of the Goo
---------------------------------------------------------------
Tryker
Tryker
Corsairs
Ecowarriors
Green Seed
Root Tappers
Shadow Runners
Silt Sculptors
Lagoon Brothers
Slavers
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(*) They have no sign of a faction into camp, but 2 give positive fame with Karavan and one with Kami, also 2 of them are enemies of a tribe present in the same region, regardless of the faction.
(**) I have done one mission from some city welcomer, captain, corporal and ambassador, they all gave me the same results.
Edit: Added the missed tribes, for completeness. Thank you, sidusar
Re: Faction/Race explained
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 4:40 pm
by sidusar
That's a nice extensive list
05 Darkening Sap Karavan, Matis Kami, Zoraï
10 Lawless Karavan Kami, Fyros
20 Slavers Karavan Kami, Tryker
01 Ancient Dryads Kami Karavan, Matis, Sap Slaves
13 Lagoon Brothers Kami Karavan, Tryker, Cuzans
24 Woven Bridles Kami Karavan, Matis, The Arid Matis
Not all from tribe Welcomers, I admit, two of these tribes will still only let me take missions from their Scouts, but I've never seen that make a difference.