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philu wrote:You're right about the Tryker guilds, BUT Geniastrid did say the "loria op gifts" haven't gone to the tryker. Not other OPs just this one. Are you saying that the 'gifts' from theOP HAVE gone to the guilds you named?

From what I have heard, yes, And others. No I dont have video footage as proof, before you ask.
(also I would understand if trading between -some- of those guilds doesn't go on anylonger. )

philu wrote:Geniastrid did say the "loria op gifts" haven't gone to the tryker.

AA and BM; yes, yes they have. Evo; most probably but you'd have to ask them... if they're willing to admit to it that is. Even if they haven't got any OP products directly from OV, they are highly likely to have traded with one of the other so-called KA guilds who will have had Whirling produce and who knows where those exact crystals/mats come from these days

kyesmith wrote:awww poor you- your guild only controls 1/4 of atys Q250 crsytals- are the nasty homins picking on you.

Who said poor OV?

And, how does OmegaV control 1/4 of Atys's Q250 Crystals? I never said anyone was picking on us. Just asked them to talk to us, not for us.

marct wrote:How is anyone to know what Civilization allegiance a guild has? Much less what the makeup of their guild is.

I actually raised that point in a Q&A before the new fame system came in. We need a way to see both player and guild allegiances, other than the Kami/Kara PvP tag which only works if turned on.

ajsuk wrote:From what I have heard, yes, And others. No I dont have video footage as proof, before you ask.
(also I would understand if trading between -some- of those guilds doesn't go on anylonger. )

sprite wrote:AA and BM; yes, yes they have. Evo; most probably but you'd have to ask them... if they're willing to admit to it that is. Even if they haven't got any OP products directly from OV, they are highly likely to have traded with one of the other so-called KA guilds who will have had Whirling produce and who knows where those exact crystals/mats come from these days

Fair enough then, thanks for confirming that. Guess that kinda undermines their argument somewhat.

I can in some small way, understand your concern for the possibility of once again repeating history in such a way.... Ov of late has again repeated some of its own history... and has opened our eyes to many things... I would like to first say.. our moving into the Lake lands, was not an act of aggression to our fellow homin, but an act of cleansing, removing the kami foothold in Jena's land... I appologize to those who feel acosted by us in any way as far as trading is concerned for the gifts of the Op's but i must ask, have you asked to trade with us ? we are more than willing to trade with the karavan, even outside the KA... The KA was enacted to form a simple set of guidlines , to ensure the safety and fair trade... a delicate balance of such a possible devistating acts...

at the moment i feel that if you do not understand our actions as such then i ask you to present another option for obtaining the outpost, no, i do not mean join the Ka, something that for whatever reason you dispise so greatly, but perhaps a trade... if we were to gain, with your help ? another outpost of equal quality, NOT FOR OV, FOR THE KA, seeing as how none of the outposts are truely our own but are vested in the full intrest of the ka... much blood sweat and tears have been a part of creating what we have... and we would prefer peaceful means of making all ppl happy... we are not here to hurt any of our fellows in faith.. Jena embraces us all, no matter what color our skin is... or how tall we are... then perhaps we could give the op up to a tryker guild.. if it would, in any way make the world and easier place to live in such dark times...

just something to think about.

That is a very generous offer IMHO.

If you are truly serious about that, then the answer is simple. Don't turn up to defend the OP and let it go back to Tryker hands. Let Nexus win without a fight.

well that is easy enough for i havent been ingame since saturday and wont be for another day or two

heh, I think thats a little forward & inappropriate. I dont see why OmegaV should have to give up their OP straight away to prove they have good intentions, especially to a guild which uses such excuses to make an attack.

I think it was a showing of willingness to start discussing the posiblility.

philu wrote:If you are truly serious about that, then the answer is simple. Don't turn up to defend the OP and let it go back to Tryker hands. Let Nexus win without a fight.

If it were up to me (which it isn't), I'm pretty sure they'd want some kind of agreement from Nexus before they do that

Edit: Sorry noin

ty jayce, as i said in my original post.... its just something to think about... for future reference, when things are more settled... much work is still yet to be done!