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maybe if u read inbetween ur off topic drivel ud see them

(apologies - off topic )

kratos84 wrote:Although we haven't had any deep friendship to speak of, Atys Paladins has always thought of itself as being amicable to PF before. Just a few days ago I helped one of their new members while fame hunting in Matis, and PF has generally always returned our courtesy with friendly faces.

Taking this personally is ridiculous. Outposts are a PVP game. Period. I don't know why that isn't clearer. We want to play that game. Sorry if you don't; maybe you shouldn't own an outpost. I could try to come up with a roleplay reason for this challenge, but every time we do that, it turns into a giant forum-pvp mess because no one likes the way I RP. So, forget that. Not going there anymore. This is a simple OP challenge.

You feel you have a right to own an outpost just because you're good at heart? Or maybe some dev somewhere promised you this? Please. Outposts are intended to be a disputed resource. Be prepared to defend it or don't own one.

So this really came to me as a shock that they have actually been secretly plotting to harm us in behind.

We aren't planning to "harm" you; we're planning to challenge your outpost. If you don't see the difference, you're taking this game too seriously. And using words like "secret" and "plot" is just designed to be inflamatory. Of course we had our initial discussions in private; would you plan an attack in public?

By the way, when Berello was challenged a while back, we knew about it over a week ahead of time because we heard a rumor that AP was going to attack us. You didn't have that discussion in public, did you? Turned out you had an ally do the declaration, but you were there. We didn't take that personally; we played the game. No forum whining; no threats to quit. That was back when the Kami's were numerically similar or even superior to the Karavan.

I remember that, even though it has long been established that bosses like Aen and Madakoo were to be freely contested by teams trying outdamaging one another, the respectable homins of the past would accept whoever being there first as legitimate hunters and restrain from sniping.

What does this have to do with anything? Now you want to link an outpost challenge as being morally equivalent to kill-stealing? That's pathetic.

There was even this time when, even though it has long been established that Lands of Umbra were to be an open PvP area, people would restrain from killing lone diggers

And again, an OP challenge is equated to ganking solo diggers. Not even close to the same thing. PF has never engaged in digger ganking.


Pero's comments are Pero's and combining them into an attack on whether PF has any principles or not is silly. I will not comment on his words; they are his and he may comment on them if he wishes.

I have no problem with you calling for your allies, but pretending this is some sort of personal attack against you and threatening to leave if you lose is just ridiculous. And accusing PF of being selfish and wanting to hold 2 OP's is hypocritical when you consider that you've owned 2 OP's up until the last week or so. I guess that level of greed was OK. If we win this OP, it's our intent to cede Berello to another so a guild that has no OP can have one. But even if it wasn't, who are you to accuse us of greed?

Nothing in any of my postings (including the ones that are from a private forum) have been a personal attack on you or your guild. We just want to play this game that we've been given.

Your words seem to indicate that all we're left with is 2 choices:

1. Play the game and everyone that loses an OP battle quits.
2. Don't play the game and people leave due to having nothing to do.

I'm sorry Nevrax has only given us this one thing to do in the last few months, but here it is.

Can I just ask if the people quoted in the original post would like to confirm or deny those quotes?

"...fairness is not our responsibility."

If so... wow that says a lot about some of the people in the community I have found myself a part of.


I will stand by my allies the Atys Paladins, the guild that first greeted me as a newbie fresh off the starter island, and helped me get on my feet. I remember their help well.

My god some ppl just forget its freaking game... the topic starter could have been way smarter then coming here on the forums making a thread.
First thing that could have been done is trying to solve the problem ingame by speaking with pegasus. The smarter and funnier solution would have been to keep it secret that the paladins are informed and assemble a defence force and give the other side a good fight.
just my 2 cents..

naib73 wrote:The smarter and funnier solution would have been to keep it secret that the paladins are informed and assemble a defence force and give the other side a good fight.

Exactly what Pegasus did a couple months back when we got the rumor that AP was going to attack us. (again, it was an allied guild of AP's that did the actual declaration, but AP was there)

aardnebb wrote:Can I just ask if the people quoted in the original post would like to confirm or deny those quotes?

Sure, I confirm the item quoted to me. I'll leave the honor of confirming Pero's words to Pero. My motive is simply to play the game we've been given. I'm not trying to chase anyone out of the game or hurt anyone.

I will stand by my allies the Atys Paladins, the guild that first greeted me as a newbie fresh off the starter island, and helped me get on my feet. I remember their help well.

As well you should. I look forward to seeing all of our friends and opponents on the battlefield. Come on people; let's have some fun with this instead of taking this so personally.

/tar oldmess
/exactly

before this thread goes down the road even more of hurt feelings and insults it's an outpost. as is stated everywhere guilds fight over outposts they arent just a pretty drill to sit there for all eternity.

it's a game, this is part of the game. it's also a optional part. Sure the karavan have a massive advantage but that doesnt mean everyone should just stop attacking outposts. Fight, enjoy the fight win or lose, and for heavens sake have fun here - thats the point!

The trouble with PvP is it becomes extremely personal as its a real person attacking you not a few lines of code, have to try and keep things in perspective (and i know i am being a little hypocritical but i try my best)

c'ya all there

aardnebb wrote:I will stand by my allies the Atys Paladins, the guild that first greeted me as a newbie fresh off the starter island, and helped me get on my feet. I remember their help well.

This is great news, your guild went from the top of the list down several spots when we saw you intended to play as neutrals finally... You have some good OP mats and I hope you intend to move back to the top of the list so I can have some.

oldmess wrote:Sure, I confirm the item quoted to me. I'll leave the honor of confirming Pero's words to Pero. My motive is simply to play the game we've been given. I'm not trying to chase anyone out of the game or hurt anyone.

Thankyou for confirming that, based on the feedback you recieved, this attack is the general will of PF. The reason I asked is that a friend and I were once offered a place in PF should we ever leave our current guilds. At the time I would have seriously considered it. Now... maybe not.

oldmess wrote:As well you should. I look forward to seeing all of our friends and opponents on the battlefield. Come on people; let's have some fun with this instead of taking this so personally.

You look forward to it, I get a sickening feeling that I will be waving goodbye to a few more friends leaving forever after this weekend. Personally I enjoy the odd bit of PvP, but I don't enjoy the way it's driving off my non-pvp friends.

You tell people not to take it personally, but frankly lets look at what the declaration says. It says "me and my friends are gonna try and take what you and your friends have. If we have to kill your characters for it a few times, so be it." Can't really get much more personal than that, honestly...

Sorry if this comes across as a flame, I don't mean it as such. But I just wanted to explain exactly why this kind of action provokes the response you are clearly so unhappy with. If you dont like people being upset with you then maybe you shouldn't try and take their stuff?

vguerin wrote:This is great news, your guild went from the top of the list down several spots when we saw you intended to play as neutrals finally... You have some good OP mats and I hope you intend to move back to the top of the list so I can have some.

We have always been neutrals, what exactly do you mean by that?