Outpost suggestion

[sprite]

I was clarifying a point of misconception

Well I thought it had already been said, but

the time had come to reconquer the outposts : their resources had become at stake in the war the Higher Powers were about to wage against each other.

What about that says GvG to you?

[kostika]

What about that says GvG to you?

Actually that doesn't say GvG or FvF. That jsut says we have to take the outposts back and that sh*t is gonna hit the fan.

[bgraz]

It's about will as much as numbers. When we first arrived at Malmont, we were the ones outnumbered 2:1, but we never thought of giving up. As the rounds continued, I noticed a diminishing of the defenders' numbers over time as ours just continued to grow. If you'd kept all of the people you started with, you might have successfully defended, but many of them seemed to have left.

When the spires go live, we'll all live in a quite different world. However, don't assume that the Karavan will is going to exist to place spires in the jungle and desert lands. Even supposing we still have superior numbers, the world is just way too big for us to concentrate on all regions of the game. In fact, I'm sure that most of us don't want it that way - remember that the FvF fan requires challenging fights to stay interested in the FvF. You notice how many Karavan replied to Infinity's goodbye thread and asked them to think about coming back?

The Kami are hurting in numbers just now, but that is not a valid reason to change the mechanics of the outpost battles. Their numbers will grow again, and as we have already seen, most of the so called neutrals are also siding with the Kami faction guilds, which means they aren't quite the underdog you're representing them as even now, with one of the most powerful Kami guilds gone from the game.

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First off, the first wave of the Kara attack was a smaller army that went in and wiped. They then spawned at the portal and attacked from the south. In the mean time the larger Kara force that gathered in wait at the Kara tp ran in from the north overwhelming us. great tactics..i commend you for them. So don't sit there and say you had a stronger will to win..the Kami numbers did not diminish, they simply became overpowered due to numbers. around the middle of the battle the Kami will did push back into the middle and take control for a short time before being overwhelmed again from 2 directions.

also I'm not calling for change in the mechanics of the battles, unless it's to power the npc's up some so they aren't a joke to take out.

And..this diplomicy you speak of..how is a Kami supposed to have a diplomatic relationship with a Karavan?..What could the Kami possibly offer other than an extortion fee to a side that greatly overpowers them? Some IG experiences i've had trading with a couple of karavan guilds have all been to keep it a secret so that others in kara side don't shun them. that leads me to believe that the Kara do have their sights set on domination..again i commend you for that..your winning..well done.

So back to my dilema, will the Kami ever be able to compete with the Kara?..will the frustrated by losing kami's go to the kara side just to taste victory?..how will all that effect the future of this game? Some people like to be the underdog, and at times it's fun, but with all the new stuff IG going in FvF direction, its not fun being the constant underdog.

I really see the POV of the upset neutrals back when all this started now. I've put so much time and effort into this game, leveled some skills to 250 even, but with all that hard work and effort, i'm still blocked from a lot of the high-level content simply because of who i do and don't know IG. I see now why neutrals wanted high-level content that could be achieved by anyone willing to work hard enough for it..and not have to join or kiss the ass of a powerful guild to have access to it.

I agree with Kye..the OP's made the game very frustrating to alot of people..created the have's and have-not's and didn't really add much to the game to those who aren't in a position of power in a huge guild

Mabey looking back now..a better way to have new stuff would have been to create new zones so difficult it would take true hard work and dedication to to get there..that would seem a more satisfying use of my time than having just the ability to level up new guys to a point with my guilds low level OP

[wyeth]

I think fraction has become more important but some people still work on friendship, my personal view on outposts is remove them, they have brought nothing good to the game except for the fun in PvP which is usual just spam healing/nuking and often extremly one sided, the OP rewards are nice but mean the people in powerful guilds get more powerful and people who have worked hard at their lvls over a long time are all of a sudern over looked as good players. unless gaurds are balenced and only "allies" can help attack/defend comes into play Out posts will disapoint nearly everyone.

I totally agrees with and i think i will follow you in a few weeks as sbires will be even worse than outposts.

[varelse]

And..this diplomicy you speak of..how is a Kami supposed to have a diplomatic relationship with a Karavan?..What could the Kami possibly offer other than an extortion fee to a side that greatly overpowers them? Some IG experiences i've had trading with a couple of karavan guilds have all been to keep it a secret so that others in kara side don't shun them. that leads me to believe that the Kara do have their sights set on domination..again i commend you for that..your winning..well done.

So back to my dilema, will the Kami ever be able to compete with the Kara?..will the frustrated by losing kami's go to the kara side just to taste victory?..how will all that effect the future of this game? Some people like to be the underdog, and at times it's fun, but with all the new stuff IG going in FvF direction, its not fun being the constant underdog.

I meant diplomacy within your own ranks of Kami faithful, in order to strengthen your bonds and grow your ranks. If you are successful in doing this and can identify and promote some strong Kami leaders, you will come back at us and win at least some of the time. This was only one battle... there have been many others that the Karavan have lost, and there will be many more.

[helomax]

lol dont u think its funny that the 1st guild to complain is the one guild that has used all stops to hold their outpost. Samsara keeped on declareing on its self so on one could attack them. and now when they can see the hoards of karavan coming closer to their outpost again they want some sort of devine intervention or a game change to keep their outpost . try this .DEFEND IT LOL. the kara are coming for you

[kyesmith]

lol dont u think its funny that the 1st guild to complain is the one guild that has used all stops to hold their outpost. Samsara keeped on declareing on its self so on one could attack them. and now when they can see the hoards of karavan coming closer to their outpost again they want some sort of devine intervention or a game change to keep their outpost . try this .DEFEND IT LOL. the kara are coming for you

Oh my mistake, samsara where the only guild doing that, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about! 75% of guilds used that to defend themselves while they could and why do you feel so strongly that they should lose their outpost, i think you will be shocked to see who will defend samsara, kami will help against any kara attacker and the kara with morals and friendship will be there also, alot like your lest failed atempt.
also whats your IG name so i can tell everyone to make a special effort to pick you off in PvP

[bgraz]

I meant diplomacy within your own ranks of Kami faithful, in order to strengthen your bonds and grow your ranks. If you are successful in doing this and can identify and promote some strong Kami leaders, you will come back at us and win at least some of the time. This was only one battle... there have been many others that the Karavan have lost, and there will be many more.

hahahahaha..its so easy for you to say..theres plenty of kami diplomicy..the problem is...theres not enough kami to "click nuke heal"..we can be as organized as anything..and have all level 250 players on our side..the truth of the matter is..outnumbered like we are(we were outnumbered when infinity was here) we cannot win a battle..if we tried to retake a kara controlled OP in kami lands we would lose, if we tried to take a Kara OP in Kara lands...we would lose

You speak of diplomicy..how bout you Kara guilds turn over to the Kami some erigos and rubbarn so we can get some bad ass gear to take you on with...you probably think thats a very stupid idea...its not fair to you and just powers us up..wheres the challenge.....you make it sound like we are just unorganized and stupid, we don't have the numbers you do plain and simple. My complaint here is i've played this game for more than a year..i'm getting bored grinding and want new stuff..I CAN'T GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!
it's not that i'm not high leveled it's not that i don't have the drive to get it, It's a simple fact that the direction the game is going i'm forced to play MY game ,to achieve anything further, i have to align myself with the most powerful on atys..how do i do that and keep my current freinds and style of play

now if there was some way to go to some new zone(secret kami for example) and need say..2 250 dig skils and work my way through patrols and spawns to some how dig a piece of rubbarn for a tool so i can have a chance at an amp with 101%+stats..that would be a goal worth grinding for...BUT with how it is now..you tell me, how the hell do i go to melinoe and ask for a piece of rubbarn?..i did that..and was rudely turned down as i'm Kami

What my problem is..i'm tired of endless grinding..i want new stuff..no matter how much of a challenge it is to get...but having to fight an entire faction of players for it is just impractical..it can't be done

you have so much to say...but you are on the dominant side and get what you want..victory and high end game play/mats
It's unbalanced and IMO unfair..i'm very close to being another who leaves this game that could be so great..I've been a paying player for about 16 months now..I just want something more to do and achieve IG to make it all seem worthwhile..not just"I'll join the biggest guild, get everything easy and move on when i do"

I want challenge IG..i'll log on 30 min after a server reboot..only to find that the big guilds who already have tons of sup mats have already wiped all the good bosses..I've worked my ass off to be level 250 in sword and amp craft..it doesn't mean a damn thing though because the groups i hang out with and have my fun wwith can't get to the bosses soon enough to get good mats..there has to be a way for anyone with the drive to get stuff like that..without there being limits on availability..look at the posts infinity left..they had 4 or 5 GH worth of sup mats they toyed with the community about..and who should get them..i have a frustratingly hard time trying to find the mats for 1 maxxed sword. I'm not asking for easy access to sup mats..just that there be a challenge to anyone who wants to get them..can If it took 2 solid days of hunting/missions/digging for like 10 madakoo skins..i'd be willing to do the work for it, but as it stands now..only the most powerful IG..who happen to be there at the right time can get them.

How does my little guild and group of friends become powerful in this game now?..there has to be the availability of things for everyone..make things a chalenge..give rewards to organized driven teams..not the dissapointment of assembling a boss hunt team only to find someone else beat you to it

Thers only so much grinding someone can do before they get bored and want to find something else to do..if it can't be here..theres a ton of other games out there to look at. I don't want to leave Atys..i love it here..but..I NEED MORE TO DO, I NEED BETTER CRAFT MATS, I NEED BETTER MISSIONS, I NEED A CHALLENGE MORE THAT WHO HAS THE STRONGEST TEAM.

tHE PEOPLE IN THE POSITION OF POWER HERE AND THE NEWER PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL HAVING FUN GRINDING(WHICH IS SOOO MUCH FUN SUB 200) PROBABLY DISAGREE WITH ME..BUT I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT WHO DO AGREE WITH ME

WELL I'M GETTING DRUNKER AND PROLLY SHOULD STOP NOW BEFORE I JUST ERASE THE GAME, BUT HEADE MY WARNINGS..NOBODY LIKES TO BE A SECOND CLASS PERSON..ESPECIALLY IN A GAME THAT THEY HAVE TO PAY TO PLAY..IF THIS GAME CAN BE SUSTAINED ON A LITTLE MORE THAT HALF THE PLAYERS THEY HAVE NOW..THEN LET THINGS GO ON HOW THEY ARE..BUT PLEASE FOR HOMIN KIND..DO SOMETHING TO FIX IT LET THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE HAVE SOMETHING NEW WITHOUT HAVING TO BEG ANOTHER PLAYER FOR IT

[blaah]

I want challenge IG..i'll log on 30 min after a server reboot..only to find that the big guilds who already have tons of sup mats have already wiped all the good bosses..

this is really pathetic that server cant remember last killing time for boss after reboot... or was that sup node empty or not or how much sup is left in that node.
even complete noob could code it in 5 min, but not nevrax devs.

[helomax]

LOL i used to be a Kami and have seen 1st hand a lot of Kami leaving game and as i did swap sides to the karavan , because most of the Kami guilds didnt want to know the small ones making trade all but impossible.been in game since release and not been able to get access to any Kami outpost rewards even after defending kami outposts made me a little mad, and like i mentioned before its was just not i that felt this way, look around and see how many kamis are now karavans.althiugh iam not happy about doing the fame points allover again,i have decided that my future lies with Jena. so u guys with the kami think its some kind of unbalanced intervenion are wrong . The kami themselfs have brough this on themself. so dont say we want to change the game mechanics when things dont go your way thats just selish. and look at yourself and what u are doing to keep the Kami strong LONG LIVE THE KARAVAN