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norvic wrote:I Tolerate my mis-guided Tryker kami brothers do not encourage and I actively targetted those I knew to be working for the tryker Kami temple in the old lands as I felt that this was more in the spirit of what our governor was hoping for and was better for the Karavan.

(since it seems to be necessary to say this these days to keep everyone's panties from getting in a bunch, here's my Required Caveat (c): the following is MY opinion. I am not trying to speak for anyone else)

If you join the attack Whirling in support of a Kami guild, then you are not just "tolerating" Kami presence in the lakelands, you are encouraging it. At a minimum, that's how it will be perceived by some. Defending the Samsara is a different issue. This is an attack, not a defense.

I know you've personally said you won't participate in this attack, so consider this more a comment aimed at those that claim to support the Karavan, but are planning to join the Hawk's army. Do as you will, but don't be surprised if other Karavan aligned guilds do not trust you as much afterwards.

"We karavan will not let the kami rule in a mostly karavan land."

Keiko used the "we" word Spriteh and as she is not all of the Karavan I made the assumtion that she must have ment "some Matis Kara" when put together with the earlier threat.

But I wrote Matis for short, my appologies.

Pretty much the nail on the head there...

Silly me for forgotten the BS rule about putting: "these are my thoughts" - "this is what I think the most of the Karavan will think" ...

*sigh* =P

oldmess wrote:(since it seems to be necessary to say this these days to keep everyone's panties from getting in a bunch, here's my Required Caveat (c): the following is MY opinion. I am not trying to speak for anyone else)

If you join the attack Whirling in support of a Kami guild, then you are not just "tolerating" Kami presence in the lakelands, you are encouraging it. At a minimum, that's how it will be perceived by some. Defending the Samsara is a different issue. This is an attack, not a defense.

I know you've personally said you won't participate in this attack, so consider this more a comment aimed at those that claim to support the Karavan, but are planning to join the Hawk's army. Do as you will, but don't be surprised if other Karavan aligned guilds do not trust you as much afterwards.

So it was okay for them to help defend but not to help and attack they helped defend against?
thats kinda backwards, if someone wanted to stop an OP take over and lost taking back that OP is on the same lines, and as for Evo, unlike most kara guilds evolution dosnt make its decisions based on kami/kara more morals and thought goes into it, maybe if everyone else did this we wouldnt be having this discusion tho....

ajsuk wrote:Pretty much the nail on the head there...

Silly me for forgotten the BS rule about putting: "these are my thoughts" - "this is what I think the most of the Karavan will think" ...

*sigh* =P

Pardon me. When I said "we" this is what I thought most karavan think. At least I know Jayce has got my back. Besides, *laughs at self* I'm American, I always screw up my english

NOW GET BACK ON TOPIC PEOPLE!!!!!

kyesmith wrote:unlike most kara guilds evolution dosnt make its decisions based on kami/kara more morals and thought goes into it

I think (look, I said I think <- *points*) Karavan have morals also, thats why we're just as passinate about it...

We very much noticed Evols involvement the first time around but we didn't bring it up. I think that shows alot about us. = )

kyesmith wrote:So it was okay for them to help defend but not to help and attack they helped defend against?
thats kinda backwards, if someone wanted to stop an OP take over and lost taking back that OP is on the same lines, and as for Evo, unlike most kara guilds evolution dosnt make its decisions based on kami/kara more morals and thought goes into it, maybe if everyone else did this we wouldnt be having this discusion tho....

So time for Noin to open his big mouth and insert dirty foraging tool.

Here is what I hear. blah blah blah blah blah. If any of it really mattered Kami/Karavan Morals/Ethics, they would all be game mechanics.

SO, if you like to PvP here is a reason to. Come to a fight, fight on either side. I may like to fight with you again later, I may not, someone else may like to fight you, etc. But don't show up if you do not like to fight, because you are making a statment that you like to play this game (the OP game).

All in all, isn't this supposed to be a toy?

If ya want to have a moral or religious debate, or _need_ to have some reasoning behind you to have a bit of a go at it. Fine, but don't spout off like a silly zealot, or try to pick everyone else apart! Just say your piece and be done with it. Seems to me this is all better than being ganked in some PR zone by surprise. I don't have to show up to be smacked if I don't like this kind of gameplay, and neither do you.


Noin.

kyesmith wrote:So it was okay for them to help defend but not to help and attack they helped defend against?
thats kinda backwards, if someone wanted to stop an OP take over and lost taking back that OP is on the same lines, and as for Evo, unlike most kara guilds evolution dosnt make its decisions based on kami/kara more morals and thought goes into it, maybe if everyone else did this we wouldnt be having this discusion tho....

I'm not saying what's OK or not OK for someone to do. You're reading into my words if that's what you think I said. I'm saying actions have consequences:

1. For one Karavan aligned guild to attack another will likely leave a rift between them. Hardly a controversial thing to say.
2. For a Karavan aligned guild or homin to aid a Kami aligned guild in taking an OP in the Lakelands is not simply tolerating the Kami, it is aiding them. Also not really controversial.

The point of the rest of your comment is lost on me, Kami Champion. Loyalty to one's declared faction shouldn't be a factor in these decisions?

i am loyal to the kami but that is not the only factor in making my decisions, i would like to think i do what is best in the situation, if a kami guild attacked a guild i respect kami kara or neutral i would be there to help them.

I respect you Kye, you respect me? Come fight with OV.


But as I said I don't intend to question or refute anyone's reasons...


Noin.