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Rate is the important part of the stanza for more mats... most of my harvesting stanza's have Speed 1 to conserve credit usage. Speed is the rate at which the "Q" goes up... that doesn't have to be fast...

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madnak wrote:With no source time you can use higher stanzas (because the time runs out 30 seconds early you can use more focus per source). Because of that you will gain more mats per second. The experience rate will also be considerably higher. And yes, you should be able to get 3 sources per prospect rather than 2. Also you don't have to worry about prospecting.

Which is better - pulling 17 mats each in 3 60-second sources, or pulling 19 mats each on 2 90-second sources?

51 mats in 3 minutes versus 38 mats in 3 minutes.

Still not sure how you are getting 19 in a shorter time period than I am getting 16. Guess another night screwing with stanzas is in order.

Noin.

madnak wrote:Q210 harmful + 63
Rate 6 harmful + 40
Speed 6 harmful + 40
Terrain spec +10

Action cost: 153
Credit: 160

If you have 4000+ focus you should be pulling ~30 mats easily and quickly without running out of focus.

You aren't using any specs? Terrain spec will increase your yield considerably. If you aren't using it, you should be. Mat spec isn't worth much if you have a careplanner.

This doesn't add up for me. I use a 182 credit and never run out of focus. I also have poor equipment and only 3600 maximum focus. My guess is that your prospecting stanza is awful. You are probably using source time 6 (do not use source time - that will hurt your mat yield). You may not be using terrain spec either (terrain spec is a must).

Nope i always hit 400 self heal focus b4 i start... so prospect isnt an issue

vguerin wrote:Rate is the important part of the stanza for more mats... most of my harvesting stanza's have Speed 1 to conserve credit usage. Speed is the rate at which the "Q" goes up... that doesn't have to be fast...

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Ooooooooh...... Thats new for me
That really saves a lot of focus

That's not true DT. Rate is more important than speed, but a higher speed will result in more mats.

And it's not the prospecting focus that matters. It's the focus used during extraction. Your focus is restored at the end of every extraction, so with 3 extractions you have +50% focus altogether. Your focus gets "restored" 3 times instead of 2 times. You can use a lot more focus in 90 seconds than you can in 60 seconds.

And Noin, I'm not sure if I can get 19 mats with a solo source, that was Predzz. I usually pull 15 mats per source (with no time bonus), and I can raise that to 17 with the right stanzas (normally I'm too lazy). I think you'll have an easy enough time figuring it out once you have the expert stanzas. Those help

vguerin wrote:Rate is the important part of the stanza for more mats... most of my harvesting stanza's have Speed 1 to conserve credit usage. Speed is the rate at which the "Q" goes up... that doesn't have to be fast...

I'm afraid that's incorrect. If you call the time it takes for the progress bar to fill up one round, than speed dictates how quick a round is, and rate is how many mats you'll pull per round. How quickly the quality increases depends on your quality stanza. Speed is critical if you want to get alot of mats.

bcharles wrote:I'm afraid that's incorrect. If you call the time it takes for the progress bar to fill up one round, than speed dictates how quick a round is, and rate is how many mats you'll pull per round. How quickly the quality increases depends on your quality stanza. Speed is critical if you want to get alot of mats.

I agree, I did my test tonight. Here are the results all are using max time credit on my prosp and the Tryker time bonus rite. I am lvl 195 forest forage:

G3 speed/H5 rate/G200 extract: 16 or 17 mats
G2 speed/H5 rate/G200 extract: 14 mats
G1 speed/H5 rate/G200 extract: 12 mats

The funny thing is as you noted it does take longer to perform the action when using a lower "speed" in your stanza, however, the casting time on the stanza editing window does not change. It stays at 1.4 seconds.

Noin.

Its quite easy:

Rate is the amount of mats (mat parts) gathered in one action
Speed is the time needed for one action (higher speed - less time)

Q defines the max quality of the harvest you are trying to get. It also defines 2 other things. The speed by which the source time is used up and the rate at which the Q inceases.

The Q increase is always determined by the current Q and the max Q. Its not always exactly half of the difference but something close by.

Now how can you use this to increase mat output by using higher speed.

You use 2 stanzas one with lower Q, full speed, full rate
And one with highest Q, full speed, full rate

If time runs out before you reach max Q, you either have to switch to the second stanza earlier or have to add time bricks to your prospect. As I said time is relative in harvesting. If you add 30 seconds they don't always take 30 seconds, if you use a low Q harvest. (just try it with a full time brick and Q10 harvesting at full rate and speed and see how fast the source time is gone)


Btw gentle speed 5 uses 46 credits, gentle speed 6 needs 96. The is quite a steep increase which i see as a bug anyone else agree with me on this?

Using Agg speed 6 on a power dig stanza I have (need a very very good carer of 2+ carers) and still blows me up 1 in 5 digs.

Using this I empty a 30 mat spot in 1/2 dig time available. Which makes this stanza completely useless.

(killing the source life is not something I do any more)

No real point in using the gentle stanzas at high level as they just eat focus.

Speed I have always beleived has had two effects (cycles per second and QL rise)

Rate I have always beleived has an effect on the amount of mats (part there of) extracted on a cycle.

*** question ***

Has anyone else had the really annoying bug when you dig over QL and get a 'fail to gather material' message just as the time ends?

I find this closes the take/drop box and leaves me with zero focus: net result no mats + no focus = unhappy harvester. (Usually results in me going hunting, as I miss the excellent/supreme time window because I have to wait for a regen. and no I am not spend SP of a insta focus heal above 500)

borg9 wrote: Has anyone else had the really annoying bug when you dig over QL and get a 'fail to gather material' message just as the time ends?

I find this closes the take/drop box and leaves me with zero focus: net result no mats + no focus = unhappy harvester. (Usually results in me going hunting, as I miss the excellent/supreme time window because I have to wait for a regen. and no I am not spend SP of a insta focus heal above 500)

Never ever had that and I used overharvesting a LOT the last 2 weeks going form lvl 50 PR to lvl 150 PR.

The only time I get the message is when a supreme spot is empty and I still have unharvested spots there and don't notice it fast enough to stop the harvest. Supreme spots behave different then others in that respect.