Ryzom

When some of us spoke up against people who gripes about the game, it isn't because we think the game is perfect. On contrary, most of us agree that the game ins't perfect and need a lot of work.

We agree the bread is hollow, that the soda doesn't taste as advertise. But to us, it taste ok and hope that it'll taste as advertise and better in the future. We want it to taste better. We have let Nevrax know this. In numerous threads and posts. What is repeated here has been said thousands of time already.

I doubt it is falling on deaf ear. Nevrax is going through some major changes, finacially, corporate restructuring, hiring new consultant, more open communication with the players, getting something to draw more players at the E3, changing their testing and patch release process, etc.

Now if you have a legit complain that hasn't been voiced before and think need to be address and discuss, post away.

But posting the same "missing content" gripes over and over again doesn't help anything and gets really really old.

Hope that makes more sense.

By We, I meant 'I'.

Also remember that MMORPG isn't just a stand-alone product. It is a service. A service that supposedly span 8 years. So basically, what you are paying for now is what you can do *now* and what you will be able to do *in the future*. It isn't a one time buy get all you get thing.

Your post Daz ashamed me more than all the crap_eater_brown_noser_fanbois could've hope with all their flaming ones.

To answer your questions.
Yes, even I pay 1 cent for a bad product I feel is my right to skin the producer alive for his mistakes.
If I fail to pay subscription for a month I wont be able to play. So why should I show mercy? They would show mercy to me if I wont pay? No.

Want cold logic? Do it yourself. Think at the playerbase, make it x15 euros / month, find out the company income, think at the facts (more than 5 mills spend on advertising/developing) and figure out by yourself in how many years and with how many players Nevrax can be a profitable business.
Then look at the game and see it worth to move even a finger to save it (especially with the fanbois like rushin or borg around)

Then look at the game and see it worth to move even a finger to save it (especially with the fanbois like rushin or borg around)

yes, it is.

Here is the thing, SoR is not the only mmorpg that when released does not have all content in place, needs bug fixes, and needs patch updates (in fact I don't know of a game that doesn't have patch updates to fix bugs, streamline the game, to add security measures to prevent cheats and hacks, and/or add content). This is an overall trend in most mmogs and mmorpgs. It is part of the development process of the game. I'm not saying that is a good thing, but it is something all other mmogs and mmorpgs deal with or have dealt with from AO, Ultima, EQ, EQ2, WoW and on down the line. I'm not about to type out a 10 page report pointing out the comparisons either. If you don't believe me, find out for yourself and go read the forums at those game sites.

Whilest I am salivating at the anticipation of new content and am looking forward to it, I am happy with SoR. There are things that definitely can be done and need to be done by Nevrax to make Ryzom an even better game and therefore and hopefully, more popular so as it can have more subscribers and keep those current ones that are on the fence of whether or not to keep playing Ryzom. In addition, I do believe if one is promised something from an individual or a company, then that individual or company should do their best to deliver on that promise. I do belive Nevrax is trying, and that is taking them longer than expected which in my mind is something that they did not expect or being a new company plan for. Yes, there are things that Nevrax should have done before the official commercial release of Ryzom back in September last year such as, and I agree with (can't remember your name right off the bat) the person that said this, edit the manual to say that "the following content will not be implemented in the commercial release, but it will be added later on in up and coming content patches of which there is no set date for these patches....). I think that would have gone a long way to help the overall atmosphere and customer relations.

I'm not going to pretend I know anything about software (I'm a pc hardware man myself) and especially when it comes to game code so I have no idea what they could of done to limit bugs before the commercial release other than taking more time to test the game. Those that are making analogies to getting bread that is not done from a baker or a hollow loaf of bread, I tend to disaggree. This is more like a contract with a baker for an order of different types of breads, and the baker delivers you a few of the promised say flavors. You inquire where is the cinnamon swirl or the sour dough...how bout my side of those tasty pastries you promised, and the baker replies, "I apologize kind sir(or madame), but alas, I was only able to bake these few. I promise I will deliver you the rest along with the pastries if you can give me some more time." Well, at this point, one has a few choices, the two main ones being, give the baker a chance and decide to stick with him cause the bread is really good(and how good is the stuff you haven't gotten going to be) or cut one's losses and try another baker.

At the same time, I don't have a problem with someone stating there opinion as long as it doesn't become a broken record or now-a-days, for those of you who didn't get the joy of listening to new music on a 45, a skipping cd. Me being a fan of the game appreciates other people that like and love SoR speaking there mind because it shows they care. There is a fine line though because if one gets so unhappy or fed up with the game or situation the game is in that it becomes a chore to play it and not fun, one should take a break at the very least, and if one is still not happy after a break, either take a longer break or search a new form of entertainment.

Apologize for any poor grammer or spelling. Sometimes my fingers get to typing without communicating with my brain.

[QUOTE=borg9
I am sick of the idea the 'Ryzom is in Beta', the product is 'Final release'!
/rant off[/QUOTE]

Neun, i think some people just don't understand whats in play here...

1- Ryzom is a FRENCH project, which as you can imagine provides a lot shallower pockets to "navigate" the ship (so stop saying stuff like "it would be easy to introduce").

2- If you want bugs and servers that make you want "head-bang" the wall (all good head-bangs are against the wall... if anyone cares lol), go and try Asheron's Call 2. When i left that was not a game, it was a BUG. Think there are a lot of soft spots there from what i saw last time i visited the boards, and it is made by an american company and its a sequel of a game with a very huge playing base. What was shiny at the beggining was the worst gameplay i've seen > total unbalance, useless classes, cookie-cutter chars, the works. Why? Cause every MMO is a living game. I'm not sure on this, but i think its a lot harder to keep a game like this going than to build it, as every new feature may bring a new bug - since we are not machines that is.

3- What i like most about any game is what it allows you to do, to build up a char. This has been the best i've seen there, and that isnt made with programming, its done with progression/acheivements table, and thats why table-top rpgs are still good, cause you can do almost literaly anything. If anyone knows of a better craft system out there pls let me know...

4- All the balancing + new features forces the situation that every MMO is a potential "Beta", since everytime a new thing is introduced it goes into Betastate again. eg: Wow was the best thing out there the trolls said, bug free, blizzard makes gold from turds etc, go check it now.

5- Is all this blabber really needed? :S

Right now I am looking at my subscription as an investment. While I don't currently play I do keep my subsctiption active. I'm willing to invest the $15.00 a month with the payout being eventual entertainment.

Also the fact that I have been with the game since the start (except a short two week period). In a very strange way I feel like I'm part of a very rare breed that can tell you things first hand that many people can not. I'm not ready to give that up yet.

vutescu wrote:Yes, even I pay 1 cent for a bad product I feel is my right to skin the producer alive for his mistakes.

Interesting solution.

vutescu wrote: Yes, even I pay 1 cent for a bad product I feel is my right to skin the producer alive for his mistakes.

*makes a note on who to refuse a sale in the future*

ilthor wrote:5- Is all this blabber really needed? :S

yup, what else are we gonna do at work ;p

I think people are going to the extremes on this issue, which is one of the reasons I was hesitant to post on the whole subject. People are viewing it as black and white. Either you love Ryzom or you're unhappy with it. Thats not what I wanted to convey with my post. I love Ryzom. If I didn't, I wouldn't play it. Simple as that. Instead of seeing those who speak out as "the enemy" or not enjoying the game, perhaps they enjoy it enough that they want to see if become even better. Kinda along the same lines Fyrx came up with:

vinnyq wrote:When some of us spoke up against people who gripes about the game, it isn't because we think the game is perfect. On contrary, most of us agree that the game ins't perfect and need a lot of work.

well, with a lil editing of that quote, I can come up with my reason for posting:
When some of us spoke up against the game, it isn't because we think the game is perfect. On contrary, most of us agree that the game could be perfect but just needs a lot of work.

yes, bugs, patches and all that stuff are to be expected in ANY game. however, when its been 6 months and the same bugs are still there, then I feel I have a right to complain. Not only does it leave a half-completed project, it alienates the players with a lack of response.