Ryzom

**in character**
It does not suprise me that the Matis would do such a thing. They have no value of life unless it suits themselves. They will erase the past no matter what the cost, just as their heartless masters, the Karavan command. This is yet another reason why I view the Matis as the scum of Atys!
**in character**

glipe wrote:
Also, why haven't the Karavan done the same? They say they will protect us but they protect the secrets about themselves and their technology much more carefully.

Karavan armor and armament technology require the use of mineral resources which are not present on Atys. They do not share their technology so that we may develop our own using resources that are avialable on Atys instead of trying pointlessly to find mineral deposits that don't exist.

I have personally seen Karavan Guardians kill 5 kitin during the kitin invasion of the nexus. I have seen Kami kill homin harvesters.

Remember, homins and the Karavan are not native to Atys. Kami and kitin are.

Ivarion
The Silver Watch

jgi47ak wrote:Karavan armor and armament technology require the use of mineral resources which are not present on Atys. They do not share their technology so that we may develop our own using resources that are avialable on Atys instead of trying pointlessly to find mineral deposits that don't exist.

I have personally seen Karavan Guardians kill 5 kitin during the kitin invasion of the nexus. I have seen Kami kill homin harvesters.

Remember, homins and the Karavan are not native to Atys. Kami and kitin are.

Ivarion
The Silver Watch

You speak as if the harvesters were sudden attacked by a group of mean Kami. No. Any homin that has been injured by a Kami is because they did not listen to the warnings the Kami gave them. In addition a Kami has never killed a Homin. They might have made them very weak, but they don't kill.

/ooc
I say they don't kill because you receive no death penelty when taken down by a Kami for strip mining
/ooc

It is only due to emergency Karavan aid that anyone lives through the kami. Let's not play games, Raynes. Your own actions as one of their greatest disciples show that compassion has no place in the Kami way.

If it does, it is compassion only for plants.

jgi47ak wrote:Karavan armor and armament technology require the use of mineral resources which are not present on Atys. They do not share their technology so that we may develop our own using resources that are avialable on Atys instead of trying pointlessly to find mineral deposits that don't exist.

I have personally seen Karavan Guardians kill 5 kitin during the kitin invasion of the nexus. I have seen Kami kill homin harvesters.

Remember, homins and the Karavan are not native to Atys. Kami and kitin are.

Ivarion
The Silver Watch

A valid point but I counter thus....

If the technology they use is not possible for us to recreate, why hide it's makings from us? They probably didn't expect homins to be able to create firearms of any kind, yet we have done that. If they were to give us the options perhaps we would find a solution.

According to lore both Kami and Karavan fought to drive back the Kitin and helped homins escape. For that, I am grateful to both sides. But that does not mean I will be led to worship them!

As for the comments on the Matis, all the peoples of Atys I'm sure have had dark deeds in their past. I will not make apologies on behalf of my races ancestors; I do not agree with many of the things they did but these were their choices, not mine. I often wondered as a child why my parents lived apart from the nearby village. These questions have been answered for me in recent times but they are not for here and now. Suffice it to say that they did not agree with the way certain things occurred either.

raynes wrote: /ooc
I say they don't kill because you receive no death penelty when taken down by a Kami for strip mining
/ooc

(I didn't know that. I was never personally killed this way but that's good to know.)

If the Karavan were willing to teach us how to make thier pistols for example, homins might foolishly waste time and energy learning how to make them (id est, craft skill points) and then waste even more time looking for the materials required to craft them.

Ivarion
The Silver Watch

jgi47ak wrote: If the Karavan were willing to teach us how to make thier pistols for example, homins might foolishly waste time and energy learning how to make them (id est, craft skill points) and then waste even more time looking for the materials required to craft them.

Ivarion
The Silver Watch

Or we might come up with a solution! As you so wisely pointed out, there are no metals indiginous to Atys, so homins wouldn't be looking out for them. And we know all the harvested materials that are available, so we could try using them. If attempting to innovate is a "foolish" past-time, we'd better tell that to all our ancestors who came up with the plans for weapons and equipment that we use now!

OOC: Hell, with what we have on the planet as is, we have more than enough materials to make plastics. We are able to refine ambers and other jewels. Invention is a stones throw away, or a million miles, depending on whether you have the soul to try.

Additionally, I have a question. Due to the influx of people, the lack of Kami tolerence to harvesters has been much more noticeable. On a tangent to the deaths this has caused it made me think of something I had pondered some time ago, during the invasion.

The Kami made no move to help the homins. Neither did the Karavan. They left us to deal with it because they knew we could handle it. And going by our previous history, if we do need help to survive as a people, both sides will come to our aid. But what if the tables turn? What if we drive the Kitin back? What if we are on the verge of anihilating their species from the planet? I do not believe the Karavan would raise a finger to help or hinder but the Kami? I don't know where they would stand but I have my suspicions....

glipe wrote:But what if the tables turn? What if we drive the Kitin back? What if we are on the verge of anihilating their species from the planet? I do not believe the Karavan would raise a finger to help or hinder but the Kami? I don't know where they would stand but I have my suspicions....

If the kittins were product of Atys biology, im sure the Kami wouldnt like them to be extinguished, but from what we see till now, that is not the case, since they ask us to kill them... Besides, if i'm not mistaken ( !! ), the Kami holds influence only on FLORA related affairs on Atys. Also, the big enemy to the Kami is the cancerous goo, which is somehow connected to the kittin.

As for suspitions, many share them on the Karavan public disliking of homins on the roots, home of the kittin and of the "Great Dragon", both big menaces to the homin way of life... I don't really believe that mischief is the reason behind that, but their position on how to defend hominkind maybe.

Anyways, i think both factions want the homins on their side, but both factions have their rules and guidelines, which might makes us more or less (--) suspicious. It is clear each faction has a separate agenda though, and that i think is the main reason for me to choose one over another...

P.S. (and wrong topic) - Best joke ever glipe that one of the yubo-gingo (or yubingo), makes me think of another game and a certain picture, but that is a whole different matter

ilthor:

There's actually a short story in the lore section where a Kami gets angry when a Tryker kills a fish. Seems to indicate that their protection extends past the plants.

systemv wrote:ilthor:

There's actually a short story in the lore section where a Kami gets angry when a Tryker kills a fish. Seems to indicate that their protection extends past the plants.

Just checked, seems they try to "retain an equilibrium between flora and fauna and hence preserve their habitat"... remains only to be known if the kittins are part of Atys or if they are invaders from somewhere else...