Karavan Vs Kami Vs Netrual

[josephm]

Naw, Huipas forsook the Karavan for the Kami, and Perrako married a Matis woman (I don't know what he sees in her, facial skin is gross).

We should have a title deal like Raynes suggestion. Once you get to a certain fame you can wear a title that shows who you are affiliated with. Yes this is left up to player discretion however I believe that the community will for the most part, wear them as a symbol of pride.

[vaquero1]

To the person who said how do you tell a karavan from kami....

Well for starters look at there race.....tryker/matis are generaly speaking karavan, Fyros and Zorai are generally kami. Second look at there guild if it says melinoe well....there karavan. We also have someone checking guild websites and compiling a list of karavan/kami guilds so that things like the killing of a synergy member (they are neutral) does not happen again.

Ok now to thexdane, man I and the guild could not agree more. Any guild that took part in the event where you got the karavan champian title IS KARAVAN no matter what anyone says...if you took part in it your guild and your fame made a choice that day.

So PF AND OOC and all neutral guilds I ask you this are you truely neutral...the kami tell me that if your guild has any dealings with any karavan guilds and trades with them, hunts with them, shares info with em they are to be considered karavan as well. To be truely neutral in this game you have to just sit under a rock and keep to yourselves.

On another note...I was in thesos and dyron the other night...there were several karavan and neutral guilds harvesting there. I went to look at the stuff they were digging and wouldnt you know it but the kami tolorence bar was almost gone. They are at it again strip mining the heck outta the land. No respect for the mats or of Atys as a living planet.

PVP is part of the game and will be part of the game. This is why allot of people bought the game. If you dont like it maybe you made the wrong game choice or did not read the box to carefully or just dont go into PVP areas. 100% of my guild wants PVP. 40% of my guild come from some kinda FPS (first person shooter) game as did I.

As for trips of people going threw ToT to get to zorai or tryker that are worried ....Simple you use to have to watch out for patrols...now you gotta watch out for PVP...

Maybe we sould start a big long list of all the people that want to get killed in PVP and all the peeps who dont wanna be killed in PVP. Then when my troopers are in a PVP area b4 they attack they can check to see if your name is on that list.......naa that would take to long we sould just Blast ya.. =O

[josephm]

Well I was hoping there was another way I'd not yet discovered. We have a Tryker in the guild, and one of our foragers would like to learn the Tryker Armor plans..perhaps to infiltrate and confuse them further!

Titles can be confusing. I wear Archmage. That says nothing. Perrako, a Zorai has married a matis and joined with Vx3, a Karavan guild.

So I guess I'll just have to open season on any groups with more than one matis and Tryker! Unless they disarm and flash their titles of course.

[animd]

thexdane, vaquero1,

You make an interesting point about the obtaining of the Karavan Champion title and the display of it.

However I think you are jumping past the method of obtaining the title. The title was not obtained by attacking anything Kami but while defending Atys from the Kitin. This is a noble and just cause for both Kami, Karavan and Neutral players. I repeat the battle was not against other homins of any race, faith or background but against the Kitin. Therefore the actual obtaining of the title itself does not dictate that one cannot remain neutral especially since there was now way to choose a faith before hand. This also means that the subsequent display of the title does not dictate anything other than participation in the event and that the supposed Karavan Faith, which we were not able to choose, were able to defeat the Kitin boss before the supposed Kami faith. Now I believe we might be open to discussion about the use and display of the title but not the mere fact that it was obtained.

Now on to the Neutrality of Guilds. I do believe it is possible to remain neutral in the battle between the few who want to start a war. We have many members who are Zorai and Fyros as well as the Trykers and Matis we have in our guild. We are actively working for peace between all homins, not war. That was stated in my previous post. I personally believe those that want to war with others are extremists and do not speak for the whole of Kami or Karavan.

We are aware that PvP is a part of the game. We also wish to promote peace in those areas for the betterment of all Hominkind. This is not a quest against those who wish to RP or even PvP. However we would like to be left in peace and not be pulled into the violence some wish to inflict on others. We only want to help others not hurt others. We want unity against the Kitin, so we can all live in peace.

AnimD
Out Of Cavern

[vguerin]

You make an interesting point about the obtaining of the Karavan Champion title and the display of it.

However I think you are jumping past the method of obtaining the title. The title was not obtained by attacking anything Kami but while defending Atys from the Kitin. This is a noble and just cause for both Kami, Karavan and Neutral players. I repeat the battle was not against other homins of any race, faith or background but against the Kitin. Therefore the actual obtaining of the title itself does not dictate that one cannot remain neutral especially since there was now way to choose a faith before hand. This also means that the subsequent display of the title does not dictate anything other than participation in the event and that the supposed Karavan Faith, which we were not able to choose, were able to defeat the Kitin boss before the supposed Kami faith. Now I believe we might be open to discussion about the use and display of the title but not the mere fact that it was obtained.

You made their point for them while trying to dispel it... no wonder your guild is confused ! It was NOT about the kitin, we manage to avoid other goo infected bosses throughout our travels in Atys.

THIS boss stood out because it was the guardian of a RELIC that the Karavan and Kami wanted. This had NOTHING to do with neutral whatsoever...

Classic example as I have stated before about why there is so much mistrust of the "Neutral" guilds... Not only did you jump on the winning team bandwagon, you later GOT A REWARD/TITLE by visiting the Karavan Commander at it's completion !

Get off the fence, or at least know what you are fighting for...

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[vaquero1]

thexdane, vaquero1,

You make an interesting point about the obtaining of the Karavan Champion title and the display of it.

However I think you are jumping past the method of obtaining the title. The title was not obtained by attacking anything Kami but while defending Atys from the Kitin. This is a noble and just cause for both Kami, Karavan and Neutral players. I repeat the battle was not against other homins of any race, faith or background but against the Kitin. Therefore the actual obtaining of the title itself does not dictate that one cannot remain neutral especially since there was now way to choose a faith before hand. This also means that the subsequent display of the title does not dictate anything other than participation in the event and that the supposed Karavan Faith, which we were not able to choose, were able to defeat the Kitin boss before the supposed Kami faith. Now I believe we might be open to discussion about the use and display of the title but not the mere fact that it was obtained.

Now on to the Neutrality of Guilds. I do believe it is possible to remain neutral in the battle between the few who want to start a war. We have many members who are Zorai and Fyros as well as the Trykers and Matis we have in our guild. We are actively working for peace between all homins, not war. That was stated in my previous post. I personally believe those that want to war with others are extremists and do not speak for the whole of Kami or Karavan.

We are aware that PvP is a part of the game. We also wish to promote peace in those areas for the betterment of all Hominkind. This is not a quest against those who wish to RP or even PvP. However we would like to be left in peace and not be pulled into the violence some wish to inflict on others. We only want to help others not hurt others. We want unity against the Kitin, so we can all live in peace.

AnimD
Out Of Cavern

The karavan title was given to them when they defeted the kiten in the nexus true that....

The kami title however was given to us when we defeted the gibbi and the antikami and the 3 black circle mages...I dont think the kitin were involved in that one. More like a karavan trick.

So maybe you wanna think before you post m8

Edit: made my post b4 reading DT's he tells it better that I...

DT we may be on the opposition but i love you sometimes m8

[raynes]

However I think you are jumping past the method of obtaining the title. The title was not obtained by attacking anything Kami but while defending Atys from the Kitin. This is a noble and just cause for both Kami, Karavan and Neutral players. I repeat the battle was not against other homins of any race, faith or background but against the Kitin. Therefore the actual obtaining of the title itself does not dictate that one cannot remain neutral especially since there was now way to choose a faith before hand. This also means that the subsequent display of the title does not dictate anything other than participation in the event and that the supposed Karavan Faith, which we were not able to choose, were able to defeat the Kitin boss before the supposed Kami faith. Now I believe we might be open to discussion about the use and display of the title but not the mere fact that it was obtained.

Ok this about takes it all. I'm going to show you how redicilous this and the idea of being neutral, yet doing mostly Karavan tasks is using a real world example.

Lets say I am an American living in the "bible belt" area of the United States. I volunteer to help the Republican National Commetee (RNC). I spend large amounts of time mailing things for them, calling people for them, doing all sort of tasks. When elections come along I am out with my sign along with the people who support the Republican candidate. When the time comes for the convention you find me right in the middle of it with. I even have bumper stickers on my car promoting republicans.

Now you come up to me and ask me where I stand on political issues. I respond "I'm independant, I don't support either side". Of course you look at me like I am from another planet then say "But you do things for the RNC, you are at the conventions, you are out with republican supporters with signs, you even have a bumper sticker. How can you say you are independant?" To this I respond "Well I was born and live in the bible belt so I don't have a choice in who I volunteer for. The bumper sticker was given to me during the last election when the republicans cleaned house. Don't assume that the bumper sticker means I support republicans, it just means that I was involved with the side that won."

Now tell me that makes sense? It doesn't. Well you can look at the Karavan and Kami exactly the same way you can Democrats and Republicans. Some players insist that they don't have a choice in their fame because of their race, that is the exact same thing as someone saying they have to support one side because of where they live. You say that the title doesn't mean anything because of how it was gotten. That is no difference than someone going around with a "Bush Won" bumper sticker saying they only have it because they were campaigning for the President and he won.

If you do tasks for the Karavan and you have high fame with them, you are not neutral. You are a Karavan supporter. If you wear the title Karavan champion, you are a Karavan supporter, not neutral. This dancing around the issue and making up reasons why you shouldn't be attacked is getting old.

[vaquero1]

I think i love raynes to ...... %)

[madnak]

To use your analogy Raynes, let's say I do tasks for the Republican National Commitee. Now let's say someone sees me at a rally or some such thing, and they happen to be a client of the company I work for.

They immediately stop dealing with us because we're a dirty Republican company.

Does that make sense? No. The actions of an individual do not reflect an organization as a whole. Even if 90% of the company are Republicans, that doesn't make the company itself a Republican entity.

Same applies with PF. Just because many individual guild members are Karavan allies doesn't mean that the guild is a Karavan ally.

[thexdane]

To use your analogy Raynes, let's say I do tasks for the Republican National Commitee. Now let's say someone sees me at a rally or some such thing, and they happen to be a client of the company I work for.

They immediately stop dealing with us because we're a dirty Republican company.

Does that make sense? No. The actions of an individual do not reflect an organization as a whole. Even if 90% of the company are Republicans, that doesn't make the company itself a Republican entity.

Same applies with PF. Just because many individual guild members are Karavan allies doesn't mean that the guild is a Karavan ally.

well if it looks like a duck, smells like a duck, quacks like a duck and acts like a duck, i'm pretty sure it's a duck


so if you do karavan missions, help out the karavan, don't assist the kami or they're allies, you ARE karavan

like i can sit there and say "i'm a woman" i can dress the part, act the part and try to sound the part, however if you lift up my dress you will see that i have an outtie and not an innie. i can CLAIM i'm female still but facts prove otherwise

so just quit denying your karavan and admit that you are