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mugendo wrote:Therefore they cannot be treated as a collective group all chasing the same dream.
And there lies the flaw if neutral were referred to as a faction.

Never said it was. Nonetheless I'm neutral, other people are neutral, neutrality is 'ours'. Which isn't to say all neutrals are like me, or like them.

jared96 wrote:So if we're stuck in a single server environment that "tries" to satisfy the PvP and the PvE player but puts one at a consistent advantage over the other, it would be naive not to expect those disadvantaged players to migrate to another game where they are not penalized for making an ethical choice. So shun each other's play styles, viewpoints and desires with caution. The viability of any game depends upon it attracting the widest audience it can. Let's not chase any group away.

Well said Jared, but that's what many of us have been saying for over a year now. Little wonder some have left and some of us are out of patience now. Ironically not so much with the game or company, but with a group of other players.

danolt wrote:Neutrality as an equal option is strictly a forum driven phenomenon and has zero bases in anything ever written by the developers of this game.

<Insert usual quotations, game lore and game history utterly demolishing this assertion, I can't be bothered to type it out yet again>

arfindel wrote:Ok then, Jena rewards only followers and belivers but Kami protect all forms of life on Atys so if they are kindly asked by some of their favourites tribes, they could share the tps

After all they allowed karavaneers to use magic, while magic should be granted only to "belivers", right?

Exactly.
If we're THAT concerned by lore.

Karavan get killed by Karavan goons when approaching the PR, Kami get access there.
Kami blow up the Karavan much more often.
Fyros get a hefty melee boost, Zorai a hefty magic boost, Tryker a digging boost and Matis a crafting boost. (hey, it might even manage to rescue the OP battles).
No magic for Karavan, less technology for Kami.

And so on...

Jyudas (and others), can you stop posting on this thread. There is the original topic which is the matter that should be being discussed. Other issues can be started on their own relevant threads.

I think some moderator needs to restrict those guys from posting lol


Sorry im a newbie and i have really read all pages of this thread and somewhere around page 3 this fightin eachother starts and continues the rest of these, for a newbie, interesting topic. U guys are spammin tbh.... espaicially the one who cant put all quotes in one post Is this the impression u want to give out to the so badly wanted new players?

I cant say anything about the topic, since im new to this game and forums, but i would like the ask the ones who keep fighting about this neutral faction thing to keep it out of this topic (start your own for example) U guys are making it very unclear after 16 pages what this topic was about again, all i see is ego's.

Thanks,


Mok.

tylarth wrote:Jyudas (and others), can you stop posting on this thread. There is the original topic which is the matter that should be being discussed. Other issues can be started on their own relevant threads.

The orginal topic is about KP back in PR and hes the title Faction Nerfs....

I think alot ppl agree that PR is more fun with KP back or something similar that makes it bit more challenging. Jyudas and others (and not only neutral players) have a point that when only KP comes back, players without the PR tp's get harder hit by a change like that then alligned players. Everybody is entitled to give their view on the subject.
As far as i see it its not Jyudas who derails this thread but the posters , Jacko and friends, that come with non arguments and call other ppl whiners.

arfindel wrote:Ok then, Jena rewards only followers and belivers but Kami protect all forms of life on Atys

But... what... Kami Tolerance! *zap*

[So I say...] add the patrols back in game, ease the changes to neutrals a bit, and keep PR the same wild unpredictable region it once was, come one, it will be fun!

I decided, a while back, to go from a -100/92 Kara alignment to a -52/60 Kami fame ; during the fame hunt part of this transition I had to be neutral at some point and I do agree with you guys, it sucks muffins...

So, what I say is : "Neutrals, take a K rite then get TPs and act as if you were neutral" this way you still look neutral but have access to any land. I think some already went this way... *easy enough*

*EDIT* For all I got from reading you guys being neutral is a matter of RP, ain't it ?
So even factionned as long as you don't use the flag... nobody knows and you can still RP as neutral. Now if you really want to make your own life miserable I guess it s a matter of choice

qurzo wrote:As far as i see it its not Jyudas who derails this thread but the posters , Jacko and friends, that come with non arguments and call other ppl whiners.

how is it a non argument when I spent the first few posts explaining how KP's wouldnt effect neutrals like he says, then when he constantly tells me I am wrong despite his next to no experience in PR whatsoever I lose my cool?

I was tempted to write a nice long post in this thread about how digging as a neutral could be achieved but its the wrong thread for it and frankly I have lost all motivation to do so.

I've spent 100's and 100's of hours in roots both with patrols and without, at several points through my 2 years + of playing PR has been the only thing keeping me in the game.

and if I'm the one who derailed the thread, who the hell was the first to post "neutral nerf OMGWTHYADDAYADDAYADDA" sure wasnt me