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ummax · Post by **ummax** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:50 pm

kaetemi wrote:And you think everything simply just happens like that? The downtime that happens when moving to a new server? Does such a server even exist? Maybe you need more than 1 server?

what they dont have the website and database backed up so that they can move it ? your telling me they dont know how to move things from one server to another while keeping the limping server up?

kaetemi · Post by **kaetemi** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:59 pm

ummax wrote:what they dont have the website and database backed up so that they can move it ? your telling me they dont know how to move things from one server to another while keeping the limping server up?

Backups are not the latest data, you'll lose stuff like forum posts when moving. You're telling me you have enough money to buy a better server?

kiexa · Post by **kiexa** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:04 pm

kaetemi wrote:Backups are not the latest data, you'll lose stuff like forum posts when moving.

omg these excuses are a joke, hope your not hoping to take over public relations kaetemi lol. takes 10 seconds to backup a forum of that size, and 20 seconds to upload it to a better host. just takes a bit of coordination and planning, .org fails on both those counts

praha · Post by **praha** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:04 pm

kaetemi wrote:Backups are not the latest data, you'll lose stuff like forum posts when moving. You're telling me you have enough money to buy a better server?

Last I checked ummax wasn't trying to buy Ryzom. Unless I missed something.

ummax · Post by **ummax** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:04 pm

kaetemi wrote:Backups are not the latest data, you'll lose stuff like forum posts when moving. You're telling me you have enough money to buy a better server?

sites been up for 2 weeks the very first two days the site was inaccesible (yes i went very early) before the slashdot thing was done its an excuse like any other

(i'm not sure what my financial position has to do with this, but i do know that entire site since it seems from what your telling me only consists of basic webpages and a forum can be moved and brought up to date on a weekend...)

kaetemi · Post by **kaetemi** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:10 pm

ummax wrote:sites been up for 2 weeks the very first two days the site was inaccesible (yes i went very early) before the slashdot thing was done

The site has been online to public since the 27th. Any problems before that can be considered as normal.

ummax wrote:i do know that entire site since it seems from what your telling me only consists of basic webpages and a forum

As far as I know, the site was made in Rails, which does seem to require a bit of CPU power. The forums are in PHP.

Also, it takes slightly longer than 10 seconds to move a website. And webservers cost money.

desdi · Post by **desdi** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:13 pm

iphdrunk wrote:Flame? Hate? not really. At least not from me. Suspicious? yes. Inquisitive? that too.. wary? yup. Specially when they ask for money.

Well first thanks for not trolling you are maybe the only one not doing so. Well I do not like this way but I'll try to answer each points:

That's true. But it can also be strategical and competitive choices. Even the ORG project decided not to disclose some data not to favor other possible buyers.

Of course we agree on that.

nothing *known*. But this does not mean the "known" is good, or well-thought.

I also agree on that. We have each our own view of the subjet. At least I would say it is good in it's ideals. Well thought? Well not at the begining and surely with a unpredictable future but also with the more interesting and rich possibility for the evolutions ryzoms deserve.

I looked at the budget. I won't comment on that -- one full paid developer to open the code? --

Of course the budget does mean nothing since the new plan appearance. If the tribunal gives nevrax some more time we will clarify that one. For you must be sure that the tribunal can't accept unserious request.

The idea of opening Ryzom had been planned for months, being the "desmise of Ryzom" for granted, just a matter of time (this assertion, coming from someone who states that he has a NDA that prevents him from commenting on his laid-off, is a bit tight, imho, but just a minor thing)

I'd like to know the sources on that one: it's a bit to easy to talk about the impossibility of talking isn't it? But it's true is an ancient idea, after all the opening of the sources is at the very the roots of ryzom: the ryzom with O. Lejade before the release.

So much for the community project then!. The *community* has already decided who the partners would be. Who the hosting company would be. How they would operate!. I find that... "ironic" -- with a bit of misuse of the word to please some friends -- as in "we, the community, have decided that in our best interest, Mr. Lejade and Mr. Lacambre will be our partners". Yes, it was tight in time and it was presented as a vote "Agree, not agree".

Well except cynism I'm sorry not but be able to extracts points or arguments from here

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The fact that he departed gives him a lot of credibility.

Well when your dream is reshappen and cut from is future because of lack of ambition, I'll gladly answer yes and that it is a proof of integrity. Though I do not share completly his views on the non choice of an editor at the time and what he has done since do not quite convince me. Please do note his nowadays team is also on of the roots of ryzom.

The community behind the non-profit organization has 1/3rd of the voices.

Pure play on word 1/3 is a major role.

I did not get that, sorry. Central one? server specialist? why continue with Jolt? and why not? was Jolt asked to become the hosting server? Was Adviseo selected as a hosting service in the best interest of the community, the french location carefully selected, or just put as illustrative purposes?

Sorry if i didn't made myself clear. The main supporter of our projet si Mr Lacambre, becoming also the third partner. As managing server is one of his main activities ( http://www.gandi.net/domain/detail was launched by him ) and a partner of the projet he will of course make the best proposal for "our" server. Keeping in mind we don't have a reason to stay with jolt at that we are very tight on the budget his proposal is not only cheaper but it places the server in the hand of the "triumvirat" and not on a side company which has nothing to do with ryzom. In this way the server are not exiled but at the very center of the partnership.

A perfectly fine example of perfectly community-driven project, at least in apparence. I guess a 2000Eur pledging player would have had something to say there? nopes. The only choice is "we have evaluated this and we have decided that our only hope is to team up with these two investors. If you want, you can withdraw your pledge".

Which is quite honest we won't want people to be forced to stay while the orientation is a bit changed, but not the goals. Beside you dont buy a power of vote with money it's not the spirit of the association.

I hope I have clarified some points for you.

tryzovia · Post by **tryzovia** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:13 pm

kaetemi wrote:Also, it takes slightly longer than 10 seconds to move a website. And webservers cost money.

And for now, the webserver had been paid buy some members of the ryzom.org community (i don't konw who payed for it) on his good will. The ryzom.org project did not raise one cent buy now.

Luinil

iphdrunk · Post by **iphdrunk** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:16 pm

Edit: sorry.

ummax · Post by **ummax** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:17 pm

kaetemi wrote:The site has been online to public since the 27th. Any problems before that can be considered as normal.As far as I know, the site was made in Rails, a scripting language, which does seem to require a bit of CPU power.

Also, it takes slightly longer than 10 seconds to move a website.

rolf your unreal more excuses with layers of excuses the day the nevrax thing was announced about 2 days later i went to that site has been accessible to this member of both ryzom and the public before the 27th and you know it lol

i know one thing i hope your not an example of the "new ryzom" i see a guy with glazed over eyes giving layers of monotone excuses like some burned out CSR in my head.......

the fact is the server is underpowered and they know it and they can't be bothered to move it which shows a really positive attitude and motivation galore to give the "best service possible" again who are you kidding?

pipe dream financial planning that has a single programmer managing ryzom coding and what

you win on the basis that I am tired of dealing with a brick wall who refuses to even see what the majority of the surfing community is gonna see.

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the site is a basic html site the forum is php it can be easily moved on a weekend this is ridiculous and why do they need to purchase a server that makes no monetary sense renting one at this point would be cheaper and more effective (there is absolutely nothing special about that site other then it doesn't work and its ugly)

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