Xavier's still at it :)

[desdi]

Don't confuse 'head' with launcher I bet xavier is even surprised to see where we stand today: with a serious project.
Concerning the spam problem I'll discard this: it would be the same as saying that jolt isn't correct because soulsnatcher gived is personnal opinion even though he must remain objective considering is role here. I won't use this argument because it would be a low one even if true.

Now considering the projet itself.

Yes I sounded very unprofessional in a first time, but original and with positive motivation (I guess all of you are now conscient that it can't be to stole money anymore.)

What I can't really understand is the flame on the projet:
you may well disapprove there are good reasons and the actual presentation might be one it but I don't see why hating it so much.
That, considering we don't even know the other propositions ( stop dreaming about big compagnies ... who are the dreamer here? ) It's quite an unstable position to compare something with clear objectives, a futur for ryzom and ... well nothing. At least an honest intellectual position wouldn't dare the nothing.

Sure the budget as to be rewritten since the first dream-like plan.
Wrong two weeks are not enough, we tried our best and some people didn't even slept: here we are with the current 3 partner plan.
A plan that doesn't take away the ideals and let ryzom live. With some serious financial power and expertise:
-Us the player, we are also the player community of ryzom even if it doesn't pleases you. Acting as a major role

-Olivier Lejade, who hasn't show anything impressive the past years but departed before the dream of Ryzom became what we know today: an beautifull place of broken promises not even capable to survive with it's current player list. ( don't fool yourself it's not us who have kept ryzom alive but contributor not willing to loose what they put in...)

-Valentin Lacambre, network and server specialist ( why continue with jolt a side compagnie as we can have a central one with us? ) and a well known figure of open software.


What I see on the paper is surely not enough to convince me, but sometime you gotta take risk and trust people. I trust them for i trust us.

Come on people stay calm we are on the same side: the survival of Ryzom. We just don't share the means to do this, this is not a valid reason to rise walls between us.

[ummax]

It's just getting a lot of hits. How many hits/second can you handle?As a member of the ryzom community I can safely say that you are insulting people, which is kind of against the code of conduct...

hehe its not an insult but its an honest opinion of someone who is being realistic when faced with two sides to a story and who has made a decision based on the information presented at hand.

As for hits if you get a decent host the site stays up because they increase the bandwidth as needed and bill in retrospect. If they can't keep that site up i'm not sure how they are gonna handle that official server shard if it god forbid did happen. (will they shut it down after an hour due to lack of funds for bandwidth to make it go? again more proof of why I think that this project will not be succeeding without more knowledge and experience at the helm)

[grimjim]

One thing that's really bugging me.

What the 'frell' do you people mean when you say 'animations'? It certainly isn't what 'animation' means in English.

*Look like a dog that's been shown a card trick*

[iphdrunk]

What the 'frell' do you people mean when you say 'animations'? It certainly isn't what 'animation' means in English.

Basically, live events.

Relying what I seemed to understand, apparently, Nevrax and (indirectly Jolt? as stated) seem to be the cause of stagnating, uncooperating, delaying and holding back and in general terms discouraging the creativity of (former?) CSRs. "they were not treated very well and that it was not always challenging nor interesting", "my experience is that it is not exactly the way Jolt handles the CSRs working for them". "They left because they were unable to do something to help roleplay on atys". "we had wait more than a year to know how the Fyros empire is made (to have a "constitution", to have weddings). when you want to do some event, and then you have to wait months to have an aswer, no most of the time, you can be dissapointed."

I've heard of these complaints in several official and unofficial fora. I can't comment on that, other thatn point out that the cause was not Jolt, at least not without approval from Nevrax.

[desdi]

sorry i beg you pardon for my poor mastering of you language.

for me animations -> Events of course RP events as it must be a strong thing on ryzom.

You might not know but on Aniro unsatisfied by flexibility, the quantity and quality of official events we have started to recruit a parrallel event team, totally unrelated with jolt.

[grimjim]

Basically, live events.

That was my guess, but it seems to take in a bit more than that.

[kaetemi]

What the 'frell' do you people mean when you say 'animations'? It certainly isn't what 'animation' means in English.

Same as in ring, live events.

As for hits if you get a decent host the site stays up because they increase the bandwidth as needed and bill in retrospect.

It has nothing to do with bandwith. The problem was with CPU power and THEY KNOW that there was a problem.

[ummax]

Same as in ring, live events.It has nothing to do with bandwith. The problem was with CPU power and THEY KNOW that there was a problem.

okay again why dont they change to a host with the power to manage the site first you say its the hits then you say there is a problem with the cpu?

If i see a post or an article about an organisation in the making and its going to be needing to rely on donations and community support one of the best ways to have people go away fast is for the website to not work. So basically the server can't support the site then they need to move it so that people dont get a bad impression. Presentation is the largest part of anything and on the net its worse. So far the presentation sucks and first impressions are very important

sloppy website and underpowered server = bad
add to that
spam and theft of information from a company = bad
very poor presentation on the proposal front and financial planning front = bad

exactly how on earth do you expect me or most people to take this seriously?


The reasons seem to be because 2 or 3 names of people who i have no idea who they are and 2 who left nevrax or were fired from nevrax are at the helm

realistically speaking do you think this paints a positive and rosey picture of the free sourcecode initiative? Honestly?

[dakhound]

Your arguments being ?

Thanks for this *very* constructive comment.

my argument being this is a total crackpot project with absoluty no good reason to get of the ground, you want people to donate to buy servers/licences etc etc so they can then go charge people to play on them, and dont give me the "you'll be able to run it on your own servers for free" BS, this game takes silly amounts of system resources to run this side, god help server side.

also not to mention the amazing idea of STEALING our e-mail addressed. yes STEALING/THEFT etc, which imo is very wrong.

I'd rather have no ryzom than the BS ryzom you have in mind

[totnkopf]

I'd rather have no ryzom than the BS ryzom you have in mind

I'm in the same boat...