Ryzom

I made several "forum posting levels" in this thread (more posts from me here then in all other threads sinds release) and i still see that some ppl don't understand my point of view. So here is another long post. Last one.

If my character is roleplaying (i think it's not) then i'm all homins lovin character. Both Karavan and Kami look too strange to me). I try to keep my global Kami/Karavan fame aroud 0 and my Tryker/Matis/Fyros fame is above 50. Zorai will be in one hour. Reason is also that i like rite missions, to get that award (even useles). I can't show this ingame (yet) so i think i can't call my play RP.
I don't have nothing against PvP. On any future Kami/Karavan events i'll be on Karavan side again, just becouse most ppl in my guild are (Matis origin may also play a role, but not so important). If i was in kami oriented guild, i'll be on Kami side in those events. I like some break ingame and those events are good for it. Last one was bad, but event managers they will get beter tools soon (i hope). If they ever offer fame change as award in those events i'll think twice before going there.
If someone want to practise PvP, they can call me anytime (i need that 2). I'll teleport to one or another PvP area and we can do it. It can be fun and also break from standard gameplay. All PvP expirience is good when outpost come.
But, i'll say again, killing someone harvesting is low. I never take sword or amp there. I never will. Any agro that attack me will also kill me. I'll rather have 10 extra bulk then take sword that will not save me.

Notes:
1.- For those who say that most PR harvesters are also high level melee or elemetal, ask Teddy, Decoy or Kristel what was their level when they started harvesting there.
2.- Elusive forest (example) have a lot less agro then before. Is it becouse that area is PvP? Or becouse ppl complain about patrol groups that walk after eachother making any exploring imposible for any group (even large one) and harvesting imposible? I don't remember. But i remember patrols there. Argo was way too high.
3.- Harvesting spots without limit for harvester level are not only in PR but also in forest. If that is bug, then they will fix it (one day). If not, then everyone can harvest there if you like it not. For me is worst when i see that someone low PR forage level harvest exc./sup. mats using too high extraction, get different q of mats and spoil that spot for someone who can really use those mats.

Hahaha I know Kristal, tell her I said hi
Ask her what level she is now LOL
She got Griefed by somebody a few times in PR when she was just a Harvester, She wont get Griefed anymore


Valda.

It's very rare I post anything on this forum but I felt I needed to post to try and clear a few points up.

RP player killing with permission I have no problem with, as long as it isn't loop killing. You are in an aggro area so some risk should be expected. If a mob attacks you and you die you get DP, if a player kills you, you have the inconvienience of trying to get back to where you were before the attack and then continue your journey. An ingame encounter has taken place, there is a winner and a loser. No harm done except to your pride and the game carries on.

Player killing for mats on the other hand is far harder to define. Firstly how would another player know what mats you are extracting ( Ex, Sup or even choice)? Ok they would know if they had tracked those mats to your location and saw you digging, but the possibility of a griefer killing you is far more likely as it is harder to prove. You could get killed by a player and they start digging Choice mats for example. To anyone who happens to see this, everything looks ok. This player could then do the same at every other mat source you dig at. Is this RP'ing or griefing? Although i don't mind dying to get Ex or Sup mats, infact I expect to die a couple of times at least, it wouldn't be long before words were exchanged with none of the nicities of RP'ing PK.

As for getting your guild to back you up, whats the point, the biggest guild with the most nukers wins every time. Twice the damage of an equivelent melee lvl at range? Your having a laugh

But, i'll say again, killing someone harvesting is low.

And again:
1. In current case you/harvester can say "No, i'm not roleplayer"
2. just quote stelf : RP player killing with permission I have no problem with, as long as it isn't loop killing. You are in an aggro area so some risk should be expected
3. Yes, i agree, "PKing with no reason"/"kill harvesters, who dont want RP, without warning/after refuse" is low.

1.- For those who say that most PR harvesters are also high level melee or elemetal, ask Teddy, Decoy or Kristel

"Those" can say, that any listed by you are over 150 in elem (some over 200).

Elusive forest (example) have a lot less agro then before. Is it becouse that area is PvP?

YES EF have now a lot less agro 'coz devs:
Removed aggro, Added special spots, and PvP.
Other areas, dont affected by PvP, have same mobs amount, like before.

Harvesting spots without limit for harvester level are not only in PR but also in forest. If that is bug, then they will fix it (one day).

HArvesting spots with requirements to extraction qlt stanza, depending on SpotQlt/Mats grade, are only in PR (underground), not in any other terrain
And dont cut parts, see whole "image".
Devs remove agro, added some nice spots without restriction (to not limit potential population in this region), added PvP...

For me is worst when i see that someone low PR forage level harvest exc./sup. mats using too high extraction, get different q of mats and spoil that spot for someone who can really use those mats.

You know, till lvl ~200 in PR (i was already expert in forest when moved to PR), i dont digged sup and exc. mats. Why? Because other, high lvl harvesters can dig those 130/70 in higher qlt, without spoiling and etc. Altruism? Dunno, maybe just respect harvesters. (Now this just dont have any meaning, after new players wave, players from majestic (melee/magic/foragers) moving to Grove. "PR diggers", dont depends on lvl, moving to rather safe zone with good spots - Umbra....

For me is worst when i see that someone low PR forage level harvest exc./sup. mats using too high extraction

1. Look in "Action progression". PR Specialisation available after lvl 150 in any terrain.
Maybe initially dont supposed to dig "exc/sup" for "low lvls"? But:
2. Q150 spot. To dig Exc - needed lvl 40, Sup - 90..
Why ppl spoiling mats? They dont picking proper region with proper sources. They just TPing to popular region and ....

PS. As forest forager - i think u see same in grove, ppl below 100 depleting q250 sources. But in forest source repoping in 20 mins, in PR in 20 hours.. some in 4 game months.

Dont you think, that we discuss aspects of a problem not related with the subject?

stelf wrote:RP player killing with permission I have no problem with, as long as it isn't loop killing. You are in an aggro area so some risk should be expected. If a mob attacks you and you die you get DP, if a player kills you, you have the inconvienience of trying to get back to where you were before the attack and then continue your journey. An ingame encounter has taken place, there is a winner and a loser. No harm done except to your pride and the game carries on.)

There is no DP in PvP, but they said that we can lose some HP in the future.

Player killing with permission? Does that make any sense?
"Roleplayer and 3 foragers":
Player: Hi, i'm roleplaying and hate all "karavan lovers". Can i kill one of you?
Forager1: No i'm anti-rp person. But, thx for asking
Forager2: Sure, just let me fill my bag, teleport back to Yrk, take my amp, HP armor, life eggs and sap eggs. Can you wait 30 mins?
Forager3: I'm maybe Matis but i like Kamis more. But there is an Tryker at anete fiber spot, ask him.
Player: Thx, i will
Player: Cya
Player: Ohh, before i go, need to say this: I hate Karavan! Rawr!!!

If he/she really want to kill some "Kami/Karavan lover" with permission, then he/she can beter try to find someone at the stables in cities then in PR.

sasaj wrote:If he/she really want to kill some "Kami/Karavan lover" with permission, then he/she can beter try to find someone at the stables in cities then in PR.

Consensual PvP exists successfully in many games and in many forms. I think it isn't as unlikely as you suggest.

"There is no DP in PvP, but they said that we can lose some HP in the future."

What would the point of that be? The strong get stronger and the weak get weaker. It doesn't make any sense. If Nevrax wanted to lose players I can think of no better way than to make you lvl 250 and not have enough HP to do anything.