Check your inboxes people.

[rundll32]

Someones imagination im willing to bet.

[kaetemi]

Though i actually would like a real company in the back more...

xaviers email address ended with @plebia.org
not sure if it's related

[kaetemi]

Just remember "positive" for now

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[mithur]

Well, sarbanes-oxley in the US says publishing them is not a good thing (tm), I've often wondered what companies who list employee's email addresses on public websites are liable for when they use firstname.lastname for email addresses (possibly a lot), but over here, grabbing 'marketing information', like your phone number, address, and possibly by extension, email address and then re-selling that 'list' is not illegal.

Unfortunately, in North America, the almighty dollar that elects presidents/prime ministers stops them from making this illegal. Marketing firms have lots of $$$, so sadly, they get their say in Washinton/Ottawa far too often.

Spam is only kinda sort illegal, and this is just spam.

In UE, as far as I know, that's illegal. There are a Communitary Directive about "Electronic Data Protection", that must be implemented by the different country laws. In my country, Spain, it has been implemented a year ago, so I think that France (The country where all this happen) has very similar, if not the same, laws.
As far as you don't have a Nevrax communication informing you that your data will be selling/given to third parties, with an option to deny this, your data con't go out from Nevrax; not even your name, nor you e-mail... nothing, realy.

But, the point is the people who 'owned' the information have as much culpability as the 'thief'. If you let someone leave your building with a laptop/flash drive/cdrom burned on site, etc, then you are as responsible as they for the theft (for your shoddy information management practices).

"As responsible" not; Nevrax has the civil responsability; this is, a court can make Nevrax repair the damage in several ways, if there are damage; in the same way, an individual can issue them for the data leak, and then they will affront a civil process. This, however, is pretty hard to happen, because if there isn't real damage, the attorney will not raise the issue.

The data thief, however, is a Penal Issue, and it is abborded by a very different way. I think Nevrax have to issue to the courts, but I'm sure they have much better legal advicers than me.

Hmm, just a bit of personal tirade, thing is, there's no evidence to support the idea that email addresses were in the same database as financials, I wouldn't design it that way, and presumably the developers at Nevrax are at least that compentent, if not a good bit more.

That's for sure; that is the first thing I read before my payment, so I'm relaxed with the issue. A professional payment company is holding my data, not Nevrax.

BTW: In my job I'm at charge of a number of developments that have Data Protection issues, so I know about this sutff. Obviously I didn't know a word about frech legislation, and my english is pretty bad, so the terms I've used could be wrong; but as far the Spanish legislation and the French legislation in this issue is based in the same directives, I'm pretty sure that what I've said is, in general terms, rigth.

[rheda]

The contents of most messages deeply disappoint me.. And they do because it looks like people enjoy talking about what they don't have the lesser insight on. For example, and without any intention to blame, saying a publically contributed codebase would be unreliable and so on... man... many of us are probably using firefox, and let me remind you how it's been developed... and not only that, but probably the most of web servers you visit are running apache, which is GPL too, and I could continue giving you examples till you were afraid to use your computer because it would be too dangerous.

Apart from that, there might or might not be ways to keep up such a wonderful service as Ryzom, but let me remind everyone the costs of a non-lucrative foundation or whatever would end up in charge of Ryzom is infinitely lower that any other enterprises cost.. this is just a non significant question, maybe, but to those who still insist this is not possible, please, go check how are some open source projects going. Please.

All that can be said:
There's a bunch or people who are trying to do all they can to offer a good alternative to what may come... please, don't -at least- leave only ***** to them. Wait for some time or visit the web.. I'm sure nearly anyone there would enjoy answering any doubts you might have.


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[sprite]

Theres a big difference between a game which people play to enjoy and most people have significantly different views on how to improve (see any of the FvF/OP/R2/Spires threads for examples) and (eg) a web browser which has a pretty clearly defined purpose.

[rheda]

Theres a big difference between a game which people play to enjoy and most people have significantly different views on how to improve (see any of the FvF/OP/R2/Spires threads for examples) and (eg) a web browser which has a pretty clearly defined purpose.

You're obsiously interpreting it in a wrong way.. sorry if I did not make myself clear.. I was talking about code reliability.. If you want a better example, take a look at the Planeshift project page.

[sprite]

You're obsiously interpreting it in a wrong way.. sorry if I did not make myself clear.. I was talking about code reliability.. If you want a better example, take a look at the Planeshift project page.

Ah yes, my mistake Code reliablilty would only likely be an issue if you have bad testing/management.

I just think the overall idea is a bad one

[calel]

Theres a big difference between a game which people play to enjoy and most people have significantly different views on how to improve (see any of the FvF/OP/R2/Spires threads for examples) and (eg) a web browser which has a pretty clearly defined purpose.

I don't think that is what they are after; the code would be open source and thus enable the community to help out with fixing bugs and fine-tuning. Not redesign the game or add future content. As a matter of fact, the later would be really slow paced as it would be done once they are in a position to actually pay even one full-time developer; all the rest would be done in their spare time.
Or at least that's my understanding of it.

[mithur]

You're obsiously interpreting it in a wrong way.. sorry if I did not make myself clear.. I was talking about code reliability.. If you want a better example, take a look at the Planeshift project page.

You can have a very reliable code under GPL development. Hey! that's what GPL is for!

But you can't have a good service under GPL. No way; a gameserver is very expensive, and there aren't good cheap solutions.

There's a bunch or people who are trying to do all they can to offer a good alternative to what may come... please, don't -at least- leave only **** to them. Wait for some time or visit the web.. I'm sure nearly anyone there would enjoy answering any doubts you might have.

Man, that's a free forum, as far as I know. A lot of you think that your idea is a good idea, and a lot of us think that is a very bad idea. And we both can speak volumes about that.

Don't tell me what I've to say, and I'll not tell you what you have to say. Sorry if my escepticism about the free soft solution annoy you, but try to be better accepting critics. I'll be very disappointed if this community turns in another free software fanatic nest, where no one who don't think the same will be able to speak.

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