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helbreat wrote:when you first start the game you dont know of all the other lands foraging and what they have and you dont so i think it is unfair that if you dont start as a matis you dont get an advantage

Thats true for how long? A week maybe two? No way after a little wandering in towns or looking at forums you wouldnt notice the existance of Prime Roots/Supreme Mats. Same can be true for Matis. If they buried their head in the sand they could complain they cant get 250 sups like the prime root diggers. When a harvester finds out a little later they can always switch or add another terrain. When they continue to level something else cause its easy or conveneient then cry foul cause others who have spent the time to level PR for sups or even Forest for 200 sups sounds silly.

Most of the Sup's I see on auction are Prime Roots mats anyways.

roninpvp wrote:Most of the Sup's I see on auction are Prime Roots mats anyways.

just because people dont auction the mats doesnt mean they dont dig them o.0 as basic said his mats go in his GH so maybe thats why none are on auction

helbreat wrote:just because people dont auction the mats doesnt mean they dont dig them o.0 as basic said his mats go in his GH so maybe thats why none are on auction

Er... Where did i say this?

When i dig its PR, it's 10x easyer then Nexus also my Desert lvls are higher then my Forest due to it being so damn easy there was good for grinding so i moved there at lvl 50 like any one else can do.

Diggin' you're cool dude, but I can't agree with ya.

I like the inequality...it's just more realistic. Look at our world...we all don't have frickin' ungodly amount of oil or gold.

As a Fyrosian, I admit I've been pretty spoiled with desert forage. lol So what if I can't dig sup? I can dig in Flaming Forest and bring my packers in there quite safely. There's Dyron where I would put my packers in the lake and get just about any mat I wanted. Oh I'm full and so are my packers? There are merchants within 250m! What Oasis? 2 frickin' lakes and I found excellent nodes just north of Kami TP with no aggro. Can't dig high level Q, but it's still a damn good place to forage if you're still low. And there are hawkers close by. If not, put the packers in the lake! Once packers are full, it's a VERY short run to Pyr and storing stuff in your apt. Or head to Dyron, another quick run to craft and train. ^_^

Hell, in FF, there are hunting teams and other foragers more than willing to rez if I do acidently get munched on by some cuttler or zerx. Oh, and I can speed out and into a frickin' lake in oasis. lol Sure, it SOMETIMES gets a tad lonely, so when that happens, I'll try to forage in a the safer places (like by the Watchers. ) And, if I'm in FF, it's STILL a short run with my packers to empty myself out. Much more shorter than from Nexus to Yrk or GoC to Yrk. ALOT more safer once you know the route (which only applies if you're on the east part of FF and have to run out...once out of FF, going into Dyron from Oasis is easy and pretty safe...unless you're really dumb and can't dodge aggro...though, if you're packers have excellent condition, no regular mob can kill it...so just keep running if ya get aggroed.)

To be honest, Fyros probably has to be one of the easiest places to level in. Sure, travel is a tad hard between cities, but with a team, it's mighty easy. Though, with the aggro range now, it's frickin' easy. Just keep running and dodging...oh got aggroed? Keep running and have self heal ready. But as far as hunting goes, we got quick and easy access to all different level zones (such as Thesos -has a lake-, Dyron -has a lake-, Oasis -has 2 lakes-, and FF -doesn't have a lake, but you can speed out into one. lol-...all of these have guards close by to run to.) Oh, and all the regions have workable TPs. xD Except Scorched Corridor, but who the hell levels there now? The only leveling I've done there is close by the entrance from Pyr region.


If I was Matis, it'd be hell to go into GoC with Zatchel and Vispa, both who are taking out foragers now. lol No lakes to store my packers in...and I'd have to run all the way into Yrk to put into GH or Apt. I could always TP, but ya know what...that's alot of teleporting and I don't have THAT much space because of the bulk (which isn't a prob for me anymore..but still). Yeah, you can use hawkers, but you'd have to find them. So much more convenient to have your packers with ya which is bad with the 2 bosses running loose. If I had been Matis, I would have NOT leveled my forage. I leveled my forage as a Fyros because I was taken to Dyron and saw how damn easy it was. Hell, Matis don't even have workable TPs in KoD! x.X; It'd be annoying to run there to level past 100.

To be honest, I wouldn't want Nexus if it was given to me. I've been in there...horrible place to level forage. (Personally, Noin, you're crazy for digging there. ) Sure you can hit melee protect and make a run for it if ya get aggroed, but that's frickin' annoying. And, you'd have to wait for auras to regen, heals to come back, aggro to move away, and possible focus to regen. Hell, Umbra is easier to level in. I rarely get aggroed.

And as said before, one can level forage if they want those sups so badly (which would only serve for matis craft, might as well as hit PR), level forest. It's not THAT hard. Become someone's CPer for easy levels.


In short, let the Matis have their Sup land that only a few actually go in there. Don't change Fyros and make a region sup...we got it frickin' awesome already. If they did, Fyros would probably own the crap out of every other region. It's just unfair! >.>

Hell, if ya REALLY want equality, let all the lands have cities in each region close to mats, all must have workable tps (or most), and they ALL must have at least 1 nice big lake (except Tryker...they got ENOUGH water.xD) that's surrounded by mats.


EDIT: Oh, and I forgot to add. GoC has Ancient Dryads which are KoS with about everyone (-66 fame with all civilizations. lol). As for Flaming Forest, Matis have to actually be careful if they want to run to them. Most likely, the Watchers would kill them if they grab fame with them. In Nexus, Fyros wouldn't have to worry about tribes killing them (just the aggro). If a Matis wants to level in FF, they'd have to watch out for Watchers and aggro which sucks because there are about 4 different mats right where they are....tsk tsk tsk.

EDIT2: Typos suck!

helbreat wrote:just because people dont auction the mats doesnt mean they dont dig them o.0 as basic said his mats go in his GH so maybe thats why none are on auction

No i meant its obvious by Auctions lots of the items are PR i.e. Scarazi's 250 swords Booster's 250 Heavy Armours.

nexus should be changed, poll aint right as forrest peeps will obviously choose 1st option

supr belongs in pr

archerke wrote:nexus should be changed, poll aint right as forrest peeps will obviously choose 1st option

supr belongs in pr

Nope, I'm a desert peep with a grand 54 lvl in forest and I chose the first option.

Don't know if Nexus needs to be changed or not.

I'm a L175 Lakeland Forager. As a Tryker I am poised to explore. Even when the Karavan tell us we shouldn't go down into the Prime Roots, we go anyway. The Matis (according to Lore) are forbidden to go into the Prime Roots.
http://www.ryzom.com/?page=lore_races_m ... aces_matis

If players were forced to bid by the laws of their race Matis wouldn't have anywhere to go for supreme mats.

I for one, have yet to pull a supreme mat. I've been down in the PR a few times but have yet to get a single level digging. To those that can dig in the PR, I am in awe. Weather, season, time, wind direction, mobs, other diggers are all against you down there.

I haven't spent any time in the Nexus since I got my Karavan Champion title. It didn't look like a friendly place then. I did think it was unfair that Matis had q250 spots in Maiden Grove but then I found ubernodes (under Great Voraxes) in the PR.

So I don't know if Nexus needs to be changed or not. I certainly would like to have something above ground that can draw me to continue my Lakeland forage. I can't get 250m away from the Kami TP in EI (Cuty Shell and Adriel Bark don't make good pikes!!) and there aren't any working TP's in BB or Loria... Maybe I'll switch to melee for a while to bulk up. Oh wait... You can't solo and the melee bug will get you if you team... Guess back to diggin'.

-Raku

Im going to pre-empt the lore here, and explain in simple terms just why the world functions the way it does.. the Kami and Karavan may try to silence me as neither wants Homins to know too much

Atys.. the living planet, ever thought about that? Its all about life, and growth, the stuff that gets lumped together as 'nature'. While the trees and plants - and animals - on the surface are trivial relative to the great branches of the canopy and the mighty roots through the core, they still have a purpose in the system.. and they are where Homins live.. so they have direct personal relevance to us.

The Nexus is, if not the heart of Atys, then very close to it, and like a jewel in a crown is an object of beauty and special reverance. This is the most perfect ideal of what Atys is about..

Think of Atys as a garden..

The Matis have taken their Biological expertise, and striven to recreate this ideal in their own lands, shaping their countries from the deserts in the north and the jungles in the south.. into the Garden in the centre.
It is not that the Nexus has forest mats like Verdant Heights.. it is that Verdant Heights has forest mats like Nexus.

As for the other peoples, the Zorai are too focused on their 'inner spiritual development' (ie.. too lazy) to look after their land, resulting in a tangled overgrown mess, (like the nasty part of the yard behind the shed). The Fyros have overused and mistreated their patch of the world, letting the plants die of neglect whilst using it as a parking lot and workshop.

And of course we have a very nice water feature, complete with gnomes.

dc77066 wrote: Even when the Karavan tell us we shouldn't go down into the Prime Roots, we go anyway. The Matis (according to Lore) are forbidden to go into the Prime Roots.

This part of the lore "Do not wander beneath the surface of Atys, you will be in danger of waking the dreaded dragon of the apocalypse" is controversial and subject to discussion: some devoted followers of the Karavan see this as an interdiction to go anywhere in the Prime Roots, since they interpret textually the 'under the surface of Atys'. Some less devoted think that this may only refer to the inner parts of the prime roots, like a second layer that is still unaccessible to hominkind, sealed a long time ago. Also, recent events have shown that the Karavan may be more permissive (Karavan followers are allowed to go to the prime roots when there is a good 'reason', for example, to avoid Tryton spies to deliver a certain message, as Marshal Kulos affirmed)

To me personally, the interdiction seems clear, but I understand homins giving other interpretations: according to the lore which also states "As for the Dragon, he took refuge in the dark bowels of Atys where he now slumbers. Homins are forbidden by Jena's Law to descend underground in the Prime Roots in quest of the Dragon's lair" does that mean that if I go underground BUT NOT in quest for the dragon I am obeying?

"...A prophecy holds that before the Great Dragon dies he will rise again to expulse all the fire from his body so causing the end of Atys. Those remaining faithful to the teachings of Jena and residing on the surface of Atys" but this other part seems pretty clear to me