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Re: Community Outpost Attack
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:23 pm
by audrimas
bgraz wrote:Remember perception is very powerful in situations like this, and people like MJ, DT, and Jayce are giving a perception of the KA that the rest of the members may not want to have in the eyes of everyone else. If this is the case then a little more unheated discussion from some other members and guild leaders can possbly clear up alot of this madness.
I always talk for myself, not for KA not for OotN.
Ill write less on these forums from now on. Talking here same as talking with the wall. Good luck on your flame wars ...
Re: Community Outpost Attack
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:23 pm
by stijn
MJ your comparing GUILDS with INDVIDUAL homins now. And according to Brave there are currently 26 on the list I seem to remember...
Re: Community Outpost Attack
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:27 pm
by pavmelas
danolt wrote:The Community OP alliance is Kami, Karavan who ignore the Lore, and neutrals. Their primary enemy is the KA. The Kami alliance is Kami, Karavan who ignore the Lore, and neutrals whose primary enemy is the KA. See the difference?
Well I suppose Neva could have joined the community program before her declare, that would of course have eliminated all this fuss, because then she could call herself neutral and therefore become untouchable.
Is there any relation between KA behavior in the past and/or this attack today to why you count common enemies to Community OP members and Kami alliance ?
a Hint: Kami DEFEND them today , it is KA who declares Attack ?
btw Community OP opens his doors to every homeless homin in need,
and i heard of a/or some Kara enjoys/ed this hospitality too.
Re: Community Outpost Attack
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:31 pm
by norvic
"Karavan who ignore the Lore" hehe, Lore according to Pero?, anything other than that and the way of the KA is wrong, cmon gis a break from this tosh.
KA is just a club who want to fight to get what they want, basis in Lore was lost a long time ago about a week after the KA started I reckon.
Community OPs may have less claim to a basis in "Lore" but they still have their own relevent viewpoint based on the interests of hominkind and less on force, coercion and "Lore" hehe
Re: Community Outpost Attack
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:34 pm
by sehracii
bgraz wrote:I'm sorry Sehraci for all the confusion here but, If other members will not come out and publicly state that these are not the feelings of the KA then how can we possibly just discount what the half a dozen individuals who seem to regularly speak for the KA say?
No one speaks for the KA ever, especially not regularly. Everyone speaks for themselves only, and maybe their guild if that is specified.
Our alliance is not in the business of telling its members what they can and can't say. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and the freedom to express it. The majority aren't interested in playing forum games at all.
If there was an official representative who switched between posting KA views and personal views, I could understand the confusion. However, there never has been such an entity and accepting that all posts are personal opinions will make things a lot simpler.
Re: Community Outpost Attack
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:44 pm
by kyesmith
audrimas wrote:Even with 2 OPs we didnt get 20+ stacks per member. "A few active people" is very good description of your guild but not OotN
Almost all OP we attend with 1 almost 2 full teams.
Edit- cant be bothered to make this into a flame even if it proves this statement is a joke
Re: Community Outpost Attack
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:29 pm
by bgraz
norvic wrote:"Karavan who ignore the Lore" hehe, Lore according to Pero?, anything other than that and the way of the KA is wrong, cmon gis a break from this tosh.
KA is just a club who want to fight to get what they want, basis in Lore was lost a long time ago about a week after the KA started I reckon.
Community OPs may have less claim to a basis in "Lore" but they still have their own relevent viewpoint based on the interests of hominkind and less on force, coercion and "Lore" hehe
Community OPs could have good basis in lore, the Dune farm farmers are using these OPs to grow strong homins so they are better prepared for threats from Kitin and other menaces here on atys, while these threats may not be a big part of the game atm, they may be here soon. so the Dune farmers want to esure that every homin who feels insignificant and possibly left behind has a chance to take part in a bigger picture and become the strong homin thats needed to twart future threats on atys
Re: Community Outpost Attack
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:43 pm
by aude03
audrimas wrote:. Now lets count the community OPs. 14*7*4*3(3 OP)=1176/19(atm 19 guilds on the list)=61 per month. Maybe your members get more than 61 stacks per month, who knows.
1176/
26 guilds = 45 stacks /
GUILD / month
check again, you'll find the little mouse
Re: Community Outpost Attack
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:37 pm
by targosz
audrimas wrote:You are welcome to join OotN with an alt and count yourself
HEHEHE MJ pls don't give such advices to this monster
To answer u Yaffie - won't lower myself to start pointless discusion about our numbers- you are welcome to convert and join us and I can bet u won't regret it
*giggles*
Re: Community Outpost Attack
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:05 pm
by gcaldani
bgraz wrote:I'm sorry Sehraci for all the confusion here but, If other members will not come out and publicly state that these are not the feelings of the KA then how can we possibly just discount what the half a dozen individuals who seem to regularly speak for the KA say?
If this is the case mabey the KA should consider a slight restructuring and punish those individuals who you are saying are giving your grand alliance a bad reputation as greedy and completely uncaring to the rest of atys.
Remember perception is very powerful in situations like this, and people like MJ, DT, and Jayce are giving a perception of the KA that the rest of the members may not want to have in the eyes of everyone else. If this is the case then a little more unheated discussion from some other members and guild leaders can possbly clear up alot of this madness.
I already expressed my opinion in another thread, should i post it in every thread that someone open to always express my position?
MJ, DT, Jayce already stated that they are speaking for themselves, so it's your fault or, better, a kami fault if you continue speaking of KA, instead of just MJ, DT, Jayce.
You are always repetitivey speaking about KA, regardless of what people are saying.
The perception you are speaking of is wrong. And no one KA member will come in forum to say MJ, DT, Jayce what they have to say or not. Anyone is entitled to express their opinion and play the game as preferred.