Ryzom

If this is Xavier (which if you put two and two together -- Xavier not being on the forums for some time, vanishing after alpha, being removed as a Mod, Souls and Shads doing his job, and "Xavier" and a bunch of "ex employees" asking for money now) , and he's emailing select people, I see an easy way of him gaining ahold of email addresses and account names.

He was the organizer for the Ring Alpha. He had to have a list of contacts and players who were part of it. We had a mailing list. Infact, I still have just about every email from it. Therefore, I have a large handful of email addresses + people saying who they were. Its simple.

As for Spriteh not getting one, well, thats obvious. Hehe

This is all simply theoretical, mind you.

bluefve wrote:He was the organizer for the Ring Alpha. He had to have a list of contacts and players who were part of it. We had a mailing list. Infact, I still have just about every email from it. Therefore, I have a large handful of email addresses + people saying who they were. Its simple.

I was contacted on the current email adress set on this forum and my ryzom account (which he never contacted me trough before this), all my mails for ring alpha were on another email address (which was the one i originally created my account with, they must have used some old db or something to send those things). Using different email addresses for different stuff, and changing them sometimes, is useful.

Could have writen down our game account emails as initial contacts when we were selected.

rushin wrote:you dont need to apologise, i am hardly being calm and objective o_o

but i think we come from opposite directions on our life views, i'd rather trust and be hurt than be cynical and never believe in something without a good reason

Pessimists can only ever have a nice surprise.

*scratches head*
Oh dear..only u Runnie could start such forums war...u master baldie, ain't u ? ;p

Well sod it, I made a pledge. There isn't a chance in hell he will get enough pledges to compete with any real developers out there, so its hardly going to infringe on that. But in the event that everything else falls through, something is 110% better than nothing, imo.

grimjim wrote:Pessimists can only ever have a nice surprise.

Exactly

rushin wrote:you dont need to apologise, i am hardly being calm and objective o_o

but i think we come from opposite directions on our life views, i'd rather trust and be hurt than be cynical and never believe in something without a good reason

*smiles and sheepishly shrugs*

Neither was I.

But I agree, just different ways of dealing with the world.

dakhound wrote:tis is my opinion too, I believe it is a crime to steal peoples details.

Well, sarbanes-oxley in the US says publishing them is not a good thing (tm), I've often wondered what companies who list employee's email addresses on public websites are liable for when they use firstname.lastname for email addresses (possibly a lot), but over here, grabbing 'marketing information', like your phone number, address, and possibly by extension, email address and then re-selling that 'list' is not illegal.

Unfortunately, in North America, the almighty dollar that elects presidents/prime ministers stops them from making this illegal. Marketing firms have lots of $$$, so sadly, they get their say in Washinton/Ottawa far too often.

Spam is only kinda sort illegal, and this is just spam.

But, the point is the people who 'owned' the information have as much culpability as the 'thief'. If you let someone leave your building with a laptop/flash drive/cdrom burned on site, etc, then you are as responsible as they for the theft (for your shoddy information management practices).

It's not convenient to secure your data, so most organizations do a poor job of it, friend of mine was a victim of 'identity theft', and had much grief and lost a good part of 20,000 dollars (recovering it cost him thousands), because his bank let an independent contractor take REAL data on his laptop out of the building, to develop code for them. Why live data and not simulated data was required is anyone's guess (it wasn't), but it should be completley impossible to steal such things, sadly, in order to administer things securely, one has to be a jerk, and that doesn't always go over so well in corporate America.

Hmm, just a bit of personal tirade, thing is, there's no evidence to support the idea that email addresses were in the same database as financials, I wouldn't design it that way, and presumably the developers at Nevrax are at least that compentent, if not a good bit more.

borg9 wrote: ryzom.org registered to this address

Bookshop the Swindler
Mr. Victor Fitoussi
6 (a) street Pache 75011 Paris France
Telephone: 33+ 01 43 79 99 70 Mall: arnakeur@aol.com

The admin of the domain is registered to here...



The adress the domain is registered is a very nice rented appartment in paris

http://www.myhotelinparis.com/apartments/004.htm

aude03 wrote:Hehe...

for the non-french people : arnakeur@aol.com....

arnakeur is a phonetics "translation" of arnaqueur, which means : swindler, cheater....

Though i actually would like a real company in the back more...

I can't confirm any of the above information. WHOIS entry is actually different from quotes and last changed on Jun 28th. The appartment offer linked has not the address 6 rue pache. I dont know if the ryzom.org project is serious. But it seems more serious to me then information given above.

Anyone knows where the "Swindler" stuff came from?