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[akm72]

I meant no offense to anyone, and I certainly hope none was taken.

None taken by me

[sprite]

I can't honestly answer your question, [snip] I meant no offense to anyone, and I certainly hope none was taken.

See, this is why I should leave serious conversations to people for whom it isn't 2am... you can make points so much better than me

[marct]

There are two issues with this.

One is that it is actually not good gamemanship to pressgang new refugees into a guild before they have found their feet in the new lands. Providing assistance to newbies is one thing, but joining a guild is a big decision and new arrivals should be given the time to meet multiple guild before they are asked to join one.

The second is that this is an obvious example of the Matis/Kara guilds making a serious effort to recruit the Tryker refugees before they have a chance to meet the Tryker guilds. This is hardly the behaviour I'd expect between supposed allies.

The funny part about all of that is that Sinera was approached by several guilds and turned them all down before meeting an OV that spoke about the game, about the lore, and just wanted to chat and have fun together.

Secondly, OV has lost 2 members in the great amount of time that you claim we are so actively recruiting.

More than anything, I think you will find that the Karavan guilds are having old people come back into activity. The commaraderie that is in the Karavan is overwhelming. That is not to say anything about the other side as I do not know what is going on there.

Try not to speak about what you do not know is happening. Talking about how we ran over and mongered up all the refugees before they get a chance to have their own ideas is such a load of crap. In fact, one of the members that left us went Kami.

[ajsuk]

There are two issues with this.

One is that it is actually not good gamemanship to pressgang new refugees into a guild before they have found their feet in the new lands. Providing assistance to newbies is one thing, but joining a guild is a big decision and new arrivals should be given the time to meet multiple guild before they are asked to join one.

The second is that this is an obvious example of the Matis/Kara guilds making a serious effort to recruit the Tryker refugees before they have a chance to meet the Tryker guilds. This is hardly the behaviour I'd expect between supposed allies.

o... m... g...

Do you guys do anything but moan, judge (on no or very little info) and try to cause upset?


EDIT: STOP BEATING ME TO IT NOIN!

[marct]

o... m... g...

Do you guys do anything but moan, judge (on no or very little info) and try to cause upset?


EDIT: STOP BEATING ME TO IT NOIN!

My post had substance, stop spamming.

Are you level 250 forum spammer yet so you can stop?

[ajsuk]

My post had substance, stop spamming.

Are you level 250 forum spammer yet so you can stop?

lol, u crack me up

(and bah, mine just compacted yours in to 2 lines )

[lexi44]

There are two issues with this.

One is that it is actually not good gamemanship to pressgang new refugees into a guild before they have found their feet in the new lands. Providing assistance to newbies is one thing, but joining a guild is a big decision and new arrivals should be given the time to meet multiple guild before they are asked to join one.

The second is that this is an obvious example of the Matis/Kara guilds making a serious effort to recruit the Tryker refugees before they have a chance to meet the Tryker guilds. This is hardly the behaviour I'd expect between supposed allies.

Since you did not have the full "story" of how I became a part of OV, I can see how you might have jumped to conclusions in an effort to prove your point. However, you are misunderstanding the events as they unfolded. I was approached by approximately 7 guilds (remember, my memory can be a bit off now and then, lol). I never flat-out turned down any guilds - but I did tell them all that I wanted to get my feet a bit more firmly in the sand before I made that very important decision; on this point we completely agree with each other. Choosing the right guild for not only a person's individual game-style, but also the "kind" of people they want to spend their virtual lives with is extremely important, and I encourage new players to not just jump into the first guild that asks.

The first few guilds that tried to recruit me (the very *first* one being just seconds after I loaded into FH from newbie island) were, in fact, Kami guilds - although I did not know it at the time. Another guild that tried to recruit me on my very first day was Evolution - please excuse my ignorance to whether they are Kami, Karavan or Neutral (I'm still learning which guilds are what, lol).

As for your second issue, I would like to say that I had plenty of opportunity to meet my fellow Trykers. This is absolutely nothing against my brethren, but I must say that once I told a few people that I would like to *think about it* before joining their guild, they largely ignored me. I had told the member of OV the same thing - that I was still very new and didn't know which guild would be best for my game-style. But rather than ignore me, he offered to show me around, and frankly he impressed me with his knowledge of the Lore (which I had read also) and his roleplaying of the entire meeting. You may not understand this, but I actually joined OV because I did not feel *pressured* into doing so (as a few of the other guild recruiters had tried to do by telling me I'd never survive alone, I'd never be able to level, I'd "regret" not being a part of *their* guild, and so on). So as much as you may like to think that I made a rash and uneducated decision, or that I might not take choosing a guild seriously, I assure you that I did in fact choose very carefully.

I am very proud to be a member of OV and I have come to dearly adore my guildmates as both a guild and as individuals. I have never, nor do I feel will I ever, regret my decision. It is my hopes, as a Tryker and as a member of the Karavan, that the Tryker and Matis will one day come together (despite our pasts) and unite as one to enrich both the forest and lakelands, and to help preserve (not conquer) the jungle and desert. We all...Matis, Tryker, Fyros, Zorai, Kami, Karavan and Neutral all have one undeniable mission: We must preserve and protect Atys. The best way for us to do that is to communicate with each other, and being a Tryker in a predominently Matis guild - I can only hope that I represent my brethren well....even if some of my brothers and sisters may still hold the bitterness of slavery in their hearts, I choose to look to the future, not dwell upon the past.

[oldmess]

You may not understand this, but I actually joined OV because I did not feel *pressured* into doing so (as a few of the other guild recruiters had tried to do by telling me I'd never survive alone, I'd never be able to level, I'd "regret" not being a part of *their* guild, and so on).

Beautifully said, Sinera. I'd ask if the pushier recruiters were Kami or Kara aligned guilds, but better to let everyone's assumptions go wild. Much more drama that way. Speaking of that...

@Mioette - you seemed to have allowed your anti-Matis (and anti-OV) prejudices to blind you into making false accusations. I'd suggest an apology is in order, but you'll probably quote some obscure bit or lore or previous posting of mine that proves you were right to be so wrong.

[lexi44]

None taken by me

**Please excuse my double-posting**

There is one more point I would like to make, Mioette. I could have just as easily become a member of Samsara, Evolution, Red Ribbon Army or any of the other Tryker guilds (I believe I was approached by all of them...yes, even the Samsara...in my first 2 days). This was the point of my original post here: I went with the guild that made me feel most welcomed and like more than just "another newb to increase their numbers with". Again, I mean no offense, but a guild recruiter comes up to someone they have never met and the first thing they say after "hello" is: "Wanna join my guild?"...my first inclination is "no". The impression I get from such behavior is that the guild is more interested in quantity, and not quality.

When I was approached by Spiff (a Tryker), I was getting my rear-end handed to me by a Clopper (lol) and he healed me and we began talking. As I said, we talked about the Lore and about Jena, about the lakelands and about Trykers. His first words were not: "Wanna join my guild?". We had fun, and a bond grew - it was later that day when I joined OmegaV.

But again, I have gotten off the point of my original post....the fact is that my Tryker felt very welcomed almost from the start, whereas my Fyros felt lonely, abandoned by the gods, and ignored by other players. Had I started playing the game with the Fyros character and met with that kind of "welcome", I may not have continued playing the game, much less ever even considered becoming a Kami (not that I would want to be Kami for my own personal choices). Where are the recruiters in Pyr? Where are the Kami that want to make new players feel welcome? This is just my own observation, but if Pyr "felt" as friendly as Fairhaven was....perhaps their numbers would not be dwindling.

I don't know if it was you or someone else that posted it, but I do agree that it seems like most new players seem to choose Matis. I'm not sure why that is, but perhaps it is something the Devs could study. Both Pyr and Zora seem to be near-ghost towns whenever I've visited them - yet Fairhaven and Yrkanis seem to be bustling metropolis'. Right from the start this would tend to set the "odds" more in the Karavan favor.

As for outposts, I honestly can't think of a solution that would make them "more fair" to all sides (let's not forget those who wish to be Neutral either)...and yet encourage a player-run game world. I do not feel that limiting the battles to just one guild against one guild is the solution. It has it's strong points and it's weak points. As some have said it would only "make the rich richer, and the poor poorer"....yet on the other hand, perhaps OP's *should* only be fought for, won by, and held onto by those guilds that have the honest ability to do so.

Setting the number of those that can attack and defend is not what I would consider a viable solution either. Would "you" want to be told by your guild leader...sorry bub, you aren't good enough to play in our reindeer games! What a horrible way to make a new guildmember feel! But you know that would happen. I went to my first OP battle less than a week after joining OV...I was proabably the worst healer on the server, but by-gosh I had a blast even though the lag was so bad I had to sit at the teleporter and only heal those that came through...but I felt needed, and I felt I was contributing - don't take that away from new players!

As for "cristals" and special OP mats and whatnot...well, I can only say I really don't like the catalysts at all and have largely avoided using them myself. I feel they promote laziness and unfair advantage to those that have them, and a disadvantage to those that do not. As for the special OP mats...that's a tough one. There has to be *some* kind of incentive for guilds to want an OP, and I suppose that's one of them. However, along the same lines, as someone else suggested, perhaps the devs could provide us all with some super-mega-dangerous zones where comparable resources could be looted and/or harvested (not just from bosses).

[lexi44]

Beautifully said, Sinera. I'd ask if the pushier recruiters were Kami or Kara aligned guilds, but better to let everyone's assumptions go wild. Much more drama that way. Speaking of that...

@Mioette - you seemed to have allowed your anti-Matis (and anti-OV) prejudices to blind you into making false accusations. I'd suggest an apology is in order, but you'll probably quote some obscure bit or lore or previous posting of mine that proves you were right to be so wrong.

Whether they were Kami, Karavan or Neutral is not the point I was making. I have no desire to feed the fire of diversity between "us", nor to start petty arguements just for the sake of fighting. The point was, that "pushy" or not (your term, not mine *smile*), at least I was approached in Fairhaven by several players who had their guild's interests at-heart (I make no judgements nor assumptions of what those interests may be *giggles*). My Fyros character was approached by no one, mostly ignored, and pretty much left to fend for herself. This *could* be just *one* reason why there are more Karavan than Kami (among other reasons, certainly). This point went hand-in-hand with my other point that Kami might consider more actively recruiting new players, rather than simply "whine" about how out-numbered they are. Kami have just as much chance at recruiting a new player as Karavan do - it's all in how you present yourselves....or whether you "present" yourselves at all.