Ryzom

grimjim wrote:
Reading the various commentaries at slashdot, Ryzom.org et al I do not get the feeling that most of the interested parties are actually interested in the game or in being our white knights on chargers coming to the rescue.

They're interested in 'sticking it to the man'.

On the other hand, I tried Ryzom a while back (a while after the free trial was launched). Liked it enough to stick around for a while, but it didn't work well enough for me to consider paying for it. Then I heard that Neverax was going under (no offense but not really surprised on this one, seeing as to how they didn't manage to hook me who actively wanted to get hooked by the game) and that some people started a Blenderesque project to buy out the code and the IP.

And I thought, now this is a cool project. And I returned and I made a pledge. Not a big one, because I ain't swimming in money, but I pledged because I wanted to see what I view as a promising game to continue.

So there you have it: I am willing to actually spend money on Ryzom due to Ryzom.org because I *care* about the game. I care about the people who I never knew and who have played the game for years and would now be faced with, basically, the end of a world. I can very well imagine how that feels.

Oh, and, just for the record... I am a UNIX nerd, too.

So don't lump everybody together. And do you really think some commercial entity is your "white knight" come to rescue you? Sorry to burst that bubble but it's all about your wallet in one way or another.

As for the actual running of a community MMORPG, I don't see why that cannot be done. There have been some attempts before, on a smaller scale, with varying degrees of success (or mostly lack thereof), but that doesn't mean it is inherently impossible. As for the cost of running the game - Take a look at Wikipedia. A huge effort requiring a massive infrastructure, and it works too. Yes, that's comparing apples and oranges, and there are many things such a community-run project would need to figure out how to do... but it's not like running a community MMORPG was comparable to, say, building a fusion reactor or a dyson sphere.


- Nils

mithur wrote:And, again, with free software (And, please, stop confusing people, Ryzom.org project is "Free Software" oriented; GPL is "Free Software", not "Open Source", it's not the same) you can make an ashtounding development, and a pathetic service.

That's your opinion. Many companies/organizations run excellent service on top of providing free software. I am not saying it's garuanteed, nothing ever is, but to dismiss it outright is to be naive.

And you can just as well have pathetic service from a closed-source company.

- Nils

about as pathetic as your idea to sue a bankrupt company
http://www.ryzom.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=92

grimjim wrote:So you're going to end up with a fragmented version of the already not-huge playerbase across many amateurishly run servers.

Excuse me if I don't see this is a plus.

So someone who doesn't like the community of the "official free ryzom servers" and starts his own? I mean - so what?

Excuse me if I don't see your point.

kiexa wrote:about as pathetic as your idea to sue a bankrupt company
http://www.ryzom.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=92

Where did I suggest to sue Neverax? Xavier, as far as I can tell, has been seriously attacked on these forums (basically called a criminal). That is slander, and it is not a trivial matter. That is why I suggested to take up the matter with a lawyer - if there are people who have an axe to grind and who will sink to that level, he should know his options. Hey, maybe suing them over slander may get the source code as damage payment

But seriously: A tarnished reputation is a bad thing, and unproven allegations of fraud can have serious consequences further down the road. The internet rarely forgets anything.

Not that I think he would follow the suggestion. I don't know him at all - but I do know that if I was attacked in such a matter, my next move would definitely be a phone call with my lawyer.

I believe in fair discourse and discussion; name-calling and slander are at best unproductive. We're all intelligent people and should treat each other with respect.


- Nils

njeppe wrote:I believe in fair discourse and discussion; name-calling and slander are at best unproductive. We're all intelligent people and should treat each other with respect.


- Nils

I find it hard to feel respect for someone stealing a mailing list from their old job and using it for personal gain... I do feel disdain, mistrust and pity for them though.

njeppe wrote:Where did I suggest to sue Neverax? Xavier, as far as I can tell, has been seriously attacked on these forums (basically called a criminal). That is slander, and it is not a trivial matter. That is why I suggested to take up the matter with a lawyer - if there are people who have an axe to grind and who will sink to that level, he should know his options. Hey, maybe suing them over slander may get the source code as damage payment

It's only slander if it isn't true.

njeppe wrote:So someone who doesn't like the community of the "official free ryzom servers" and starts his own? I mean - so what?

Excuse me if I don't see your point.

It's like attaching leeches to an ailing horse.

njeppe wrote: Then I heard that Neverax was going under (no offense but not really surprised on this one, seeing as to how they didn't manage to hook me who actively wanted to get hooked by the game)

It's curious how you are one of the people attracted by the free software part of the project, and interested in it, but who doesn't know nothing about the game or the community.

A lot of times, and almost all the people agree, the people has thinking that the game filters a lot of people and that it is good. You have to had some characteristics to like the game and to fall in love with it, and that's the key who makes this community a so good one. That's a theory, and I think it's a good one. I'm sure your point will not have the desired effect in the community.

But, that's the problem. A lot of people more concerned in the FS than in the game. Ok, it's your rigth, and I'll not say "go away!", or something similar. But I don't like nothing at all a project with that profile. I care much more for the game and community than I care for the FS, and logically I prefer a project more similar to that.

And, I think, the most part of the community thinks the same.

I'd suggest to those of you who haven't visited ryzom.org website to do so, since most if not all of the answers provided here are on the website. I deeply respect those of you who think it's not a good alternative, but please, don't ask me to respect those of you who'd rather see ryzom to fall into oblivion.

On a side note, I'd call everyone replying this thread to show up a nice behaviour from now on... ***** takes us all nowhere. As said, try to be positive.