No more, I am done...

[grimjim]

I have only one question to you Jyudas, not offending. When did you experience that you could change the world in any way, or that there is any storyline? You always seem to get down to this while defending SoR, and I could never figure out what you mean. I have never experienced this in Ryzom (but had good fun in other things). Could you please share this with me? Thanx.

No problem at all Loly.

What is boils down to is this.

Say I am playing A.N. Other MMORPG. Doesn't particularly matter which one as most of them follow the same model.

They run an 'event' where the city is invaded by giant mutant pigs or something, lead by Hoglord.

OK, so a few spawns in the city change to GMP's and you get an instanced area containing Hoglord that you and your teams can go into to engage him, earning some special item or some such for defeating Hoglord.

On the face of it, sounds pretty good doesn't it?

Except you're not actually, personally having any impact. The event will run as predetermined and everyone and his monkey will get the chance to fight the Hoglord. It becomes meaningless.

When you take part in an event in Ryzom its not instanced, if you're there, you're there. Your actions and name do get noticed by the community (and by Nevrax it seems) and it DOES matter whether you were the one to put the final kick in on Hoglord, or in this case Hogketh I guess.

That's the most basic explanation on it.

To go on with specific examples related to Ryzom, beyond just 'being there'.

We opened the pathway to Zorai (though that WAS likely predetermined that it would succeed, I wonder what would have happened if we had given up...)

We have found or lost fragments of the Tear of the Kitin through our actions or inactions.

And more lately we've had, fresh in the mind...

Spies came and talked to people who gave them names and information, or didn't, influencing who was invited to the meetings.

Those spies were then pursued by the Karavan, as it happens the Kami forces managed to save them and so it was one of them who contacted the guilds and individuals collected by the spies and invited them to the meeting. The Kami forces could have lost, information could have been lost or not passed on so easily.

Some attended the meeting, some didn't, were addressed by Guild of Elias, including the spies that were rescued and given information.

Now the people present there have spread throughout the lands with various versions of what they heard. What they say will sway others and determine the size, strength and keenness of the factions in this Jena war that's coming.

Additionally to that there was the Bai-Jimao mini event, which sounds quite interesting. He escaped from the Doctor's experiments and claimed to be cured of the goo. As it happens, he seems to have been believed and its the doc who ended up dead. What if the doc had been believed? Who would have spread the news about the Kami decision regarding the war? Would they have done it the same way? What would have become of Bai and the experiments?

We have a constant effect on the game. You just have to see it.

[grimjim]

sad, isnt it

I'm just sick and tired of the constant slanging down going on. Everyone seems to want it to be something else, so much that they're not willing to appreciate what it IS.

[larwood]

We have a constant effect on the game. You just have to see it.

Judyas,


First, plese dont hit "enter" so many times in your posts, as they get very long when you have a space between every sentance, and it clogs up the thread. Seperate into decent paragraphs if needed, but please do something for the readers sake...

Second:
I enjoy a lot of your posts as you are *usually* very mature and respectful. With this post you have gone of the deep end a little bit in attacking Raynes and such. Let him leave, and be done with it.

As far as your explanation on how we are effecting the ryzom world... your examples are minor and deal with little bits of the RP and such... but for the majority of the players in Atys... these examples have little effect or influence. Many have never even heard of some of the things you mentioned, and the far majority wasnt invited to this secret event mess. I think that when I read the description from Nevrax about living breathing ecosystem that it s changeable by your choices... that says more to me like things related to Ryzom ring, or objects are destructable... like buildign and such. Or like we, the players can go and create a kitin invasion, or create events... that are not planned ahead by the devs, to which the conclusion is already known. If the end is known from the begining, as in a lot of the examples you said, then where is there any real effect made by the players? They were just bodies used to fill up spots in a story. They did not create the story.

That is what I want when i think of RP and influencing the Ryzom world.

[grimjim]

"First, plese dont hit "enter" so many times in your posts, as they get very long when you have a space between every sentance, and it clogs up the thread. Seperate into decent paragraphs if needed, but please do something for the readers sake..."

I do it to try to make things easier to read. Too many people 'clump up'. But sure Can't win either way I guess

"Second:
I enjoy a lot of your posts as you are *usually* very mature and respectful. With this post you have gone of the deep end a little bit in attacking Raynes and such. Let him leave, and be done with it."

Everyone has an end to their tether.

"As far as your explanation on how we are effecting the ryzom world... your examples are minor and deal with little bits of the RP and such... but for the majority of the players in Atys... these examples have little effect or influence. Many have never even heard of some of the things you mentioned, and the far majority wasnt invited to this secret event mess."

I don't consider it a mess, I think its the ideal way to influence and interest the greatest number of people. Even Vut seems to agree on that score which should say something.

The most recent aspects of those RP events are all to do with the coming of Jena which will have great effect and/or influence over every single player. So IMO, you're wrong there.

"If the end is known from the begining, as in a lot of the examples you said, then where is there any real effect made by the players? They were just bodies used to fill up spots in a story. They did not create the story."

I did note that in the more recent ones there seems to be a great more leeway. Many of the things you mention are (or should be) relatively simple trigger effects. They'd be nice to have and they would add, but they're not really roleplaying per se. All I'm addressing is the fallacy that we don't actually have any effect, I'm not saying they couldn't do more.

[katriell]

I noticed that while the Guild of Elias hosted a closed meeting, the Kami warned anyone in the region who cared to listen in an open meeting outside of Yrkanis.

IC, perhaps this indicates something about the Kami...

[larwood]

The most recent aspects of those RP events are all to do with the coming of Jena which will have great effect and/or influence over every single player. So IMO, you're wrong there.
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That last one was a little better with the spacing. good job, you're making progress.

Thank you for letting me know I am wrong, with something that hasn't happened yet. Very good. Yes, it has started, and no it hasn't effected a vast majority players and their gameplay (other than this bloody thread).

And I agree with you that there needs to be more than there is. But I do enjoy the game now, and am still excited to play it.

[helbreat]

i hate to say it thom but the event has affected peoples gameplay lien and raynes quit over it whats more affecting than that? =/

[grimjim]

"That last one was a little better with the spacing. good job, you're making progress."

Easy tiger.

"Thank you for letting me know I am wrong, with something that hasn't happened yet. Very good. Yes, it has started, and no it hasn't effected a vast majority players and their gameplay (other than this bloody thread)."

Note the use of IMO. I may be proven wrong of course. As to otherwise, I disagree, the debates and factionalising has been interesting to see come out in game, a hardening of attitudes etc. I can't stand PvP and think that taking this line will all end in tears but the RP kicking off is outstanding.

[larwood]

i hate to say it thom but the event has affected peoples gameplay lien and raynes quit over it whats more affecting than that? =/

lien quit because he/she was surprised by his/her attachment to the game and realized he/she needed a break. It just happened durring the event.

Raynes quit, not soly because of this event... but it was the last straw as he said.

And besides, we were refering to the Ryzom world. RP and such... not people that chose to leave because of personal reasons.

[grimjim]

i hate to say it thom but the event has affected peoples gameplay lien and raynes quit over it whats more affecting than that? =/

Lien had an emotional reaction to the events to the character within the game. I think once Lien takes stock, everything will be hunky dory.

Raynes I think is just being petulant and childish, toys out the pram because he wasn't included or invited, that or looking for an excuse to flounce out making a scene.

What's more affecting than that has been listening to around and region chat alive with discussion etc. I just hope Nevrax follow through with something worthy of the excitement.