thexdane wrote:wow well worded lyrah and i agree with most of it, some things i'd add more than i'd say "you're wrong"
one thing i'd add is sometimes people want a change in their life, so a rp game can be said outlet. it's a bit of a release for someone to be a "greifer" or an evil char. that's what it is for me when i rp an evil char.
thing is pvp can be good and it can be bad, most "greifers" are roleplaying EVIL characters. i think that's something poeple don't realize. i guess everyone assumes people play good chars or if they do play d&d they don't understand the evil alignment
i mean say i kill a person, heal them, kill them again and so forth. i'm being evil, no nice person in their right mind would do something like that. a good char would never pvp, unless attacked first
i don't mind pvp but there should be a way to con other players but if not i guess it's a crap shoot when you attack someone.
so for all those wondering why greifers exists IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE EVIL
Most people have trouble with alignment in role playing, mostly because people tend to not be introspective enough, or honest enough with themselves to admit that they aren't true neutral or lawful good or chaotic evil. FEW people are half as black and white, cut and dried as they want to believe they are.
And MANY of the griefers are not role playing. What purpose is there to sit at the top of a hill where you KNOW newbies are walking by and kill everyone of them in one shot.
This does NOT fit ANY alignments motivation:
Lawful good would be the one to find these murders and kill them...to restore law and order and it is the "right" thing to do.
(most NON evil lawfuls would do the same as above, to restore the law.)
Neutral good would see this as harmful and not be happy about it, might look for how it would harm him to leave things alone or help him to kill the bad guy, but sooner or later he would get around to killing the bad guy.
Neutral evil would get look around to see if he would get caught, kill the murderer and loot any corpses.
True Neutral might or might not even notice the ganker if he didn't kill THEM. But would seek ballance in everything, eventually the ballance would clearly be seen as endangered and he MIGHT kill the bad guy.
Lawful evil might kill the ganker if his superiors tell him to. One thing about lawful evil I NEVER understood is they aways have someone higher up than them...never heard of a lawful evil leader, or just never saw one role played.
A Chaotic neutral character would not be killing the newbs, they are not a challenge and are NOT a source of serious income. They are nothing more than a nuicance at worst and invisable at best. (this is not my attitude towards newbie/lowbies, but then I am not Chaotic evil).
Griefing is NOT role playing. Finding a challanging player to taunt and attack, when they are not busy with a mob or foraging IS role playing.
I do NOT consider PKing griefing, only pking players SO far under your level that they couldn't land a spell or hit you with the best weapon in game.
I have nothing against PKing with a reason, and if the player is capable of self defence and is a challange.
I will never understand the reasoning behind random meaningless griefing. What in the WORLD do they get out of killing random baby players?
