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sprite wrote:As some of you may have noticed, Clan Omnis is now under new management. After a short and bloody coup, we have thrown off the shackles of oppression and become a democratic guild; our leaders directly before the split have now declared themselves outlaws, but are still on cordial terms with us who remained. The original powers that be however, have been thrown out and their so-called Matis Clan Omnis is no longer deemed to be on friendly terms with us; they are not to be considered part of Clan Omnis in any way, shape, or form. Sadly, the leaving of many members, and some looting on the way out has left the guild reduced in size and wealth, but our resolve and determination to live up to the original aims of Clan Omnis is greater than ever. We are in the process of electing a new leader, and are now open to new members.

*RP bit over*
Basically speaking in addition to what is said up there ^^ the Outlaw guild (led by Zenchi and made up mostly of ex-CO members) still supports us, as do our allies in the Grand Alliance (see my sig for a link). We are now aiming to be as democratically run as possible and, for the time being at least, we are open to all players with (or with the aim and possibility of) positive Kami fame. This may change in the future if we get large enough or w/e to support non-kami players. Updates will follow as soon as they develop.

NOTE:Also I would like to say that MCO are probably a very nice bunch of people, just don't get us started on them Apparently some of you are going up to them and calling them evil; thats not nice you know ;p

Sprite - You don't half talk a lot of rot without finding out the truth.

The following are facts checkable with the people involved or from articles they presented in Mikelaws forum for Omnis.
1) 2 prominent members of CO were so bored (by the everyday sameness of the game, not necessarily by you or other members) that they were going to quit. One was stranded in Matis & getting no support with crafting or teams to hunt with.
2) As a temporary solution I approached Malos & suggested a Guild in Matis. Since the rules did not allow for CO to have another guild, it had to be renamed to permit the purchase of a guild hall. Despite apparent misunderstandings, Malos clearly stated his approval for MCO. I only then purchased the hall after seeing his approval in Mikelaws forum.
3) It was clearly announced on Guild chat that CO were purchasing a hall in Yrkanis & contributions were welcome. 1.1 mill was collected by Drafly (600k having since been returned to Ronaldo).
4) Mafioso returned after a short absence and berated this 'alleged' breakaway because he had no prior knowledge or input on the situation. The attack was quite vitriolic and unfounded since it was approved by the then leader Malos.
5) The intention of the guild in Matis was to provide all members of CO the ability to go to a new area, hunt new mobs and learn different crafts in a land richer in good mats than Fyros. As examples of this both Cloudwalker & I are q160 Fyros but also q120 foragers in Matis.
6) At no time, were any of the current members of MCO asked or invited to join. It was my intention that to provide a change, they would temporarily join MCO, if they wished, but would be available to go back to CO on leaders instruction. That included me.
7) A prominent member of CO asked to join and was permitted to by the leader of MCO at the time. This resulted in a personal barney between the two parties involved & MCO were then declared persona non gratis.
8) During the period leading up to this, MCO still provided mats to CO ( ask Kaetemi & Mikelaw) & Cloud continued to make armour & provide dappers to CO members. I believe Tember was in receipt of 400k from Cloud.
9) At no time have we been anything but helpful to CO. I resent your spurious imputation that we denuded CO of of any items whatsoever. I look forward to there being a civil litigation society included in the next patch.
Despite your attempts to create hostility between CO & MCO, I hate to inform you that there are still good relations between many of the members and we have continued to offer our assistance to CO if required. Please note - It is not or was not our intention to be anything other than a branch of CO. Its not our fault that paranoia & meglomania interrupted our good intentions. As for our leadership, that is purely a utilitarian title to be passed around as required.
We may only be 6 members but we have a guild hall full of mats & nearly 20 mill in the kitty and we are still prepared to co-operate with CO if there is anything we can do.
Do you really think you're inflamatory comments were just Sprite?
Alyssah.

*Warning* long post; if you don't care about semantics or arguments, then skip this

alyssah wrote:Sprite - You don't half talk a lot of rot without finding out the truth.

My post was not supposed to declare facts about the reasons for the split, merely to inform people that it had happened and the initial reaction of the people still remaining in CO.

alyssah wrote:2) As a temporary solution I approached Malos & suggested a Guild in Matis. Since the rules did not allow for CO to have another guild, it had to be renamed to permit the purchase of a guild hall. Despite apparent misunderstandings, Malos clearly stated his approval for MCO. I only then purchased the hall after seeing his approval in Mikelaws forum.

Pity mike's forum isn't up any more, or I would have asked you to show me where Malos approved it. I remember a post by Malos denying he agreed to it, and I definately don't remember ever seeing him approve of it before it happened on mike's forums.

alyssah wrote:3) It was clearly announced on Guild chat that CO were purchasing a hall in Yrkanis & contributions were welcome. 1.1 mill was collected by Drafly (600k having since been returned to Ronaldo).

Thank you for the return of Ron's money; I understand he was not pleased about you taking it in the first place without clearly explaining where it was going, although I may be wrong. Also, I did not see any guild chat announcements, but admittedly I was absent for a few days.

alyssah wrote:4) Mafioso returned after a short absence and berated this 'alleged' breakaway because he had no prior knowledge or input on the situation. The attack was quite vitriolic and unfounded since it was approved by the then leader Malos.

It was perfectly well founded as Maf was the de-facto leader; Malos was only the founder and not often online. I can sympathise more with Maf on this one than I can with you, as I did not see any apologies on your part, merely repeated assertations that you were in the right.

alyssah wrote:5) The intention of the guild in Matis was to provide all members of CO the ability to go to a new area, hunt new mobs and learn different crafts in a land richer in good mats than Fyros....
6) At no time, were any of the current members of MCO asked or invited to join. It was my intention that to provide a change, they would temporarily join MCO, if they wished, but would be available to go back to CO on leaders instruction. That included me.

This doesn't really make sense to me, as you only stated that it would be a temporary switch after Maf and Mike complained. Also I believe that since Maf was the guild leader, you should have come back in the first place until he was happy with the situation.

alyssah wrote:7) A prominent member of CO asked to join and was permitted to by the leader of MCO at the time. This resulted in a personal barney between the two parties involved & MCO were then declared persona non gratis.

As far as I am aware, you did not become "personae non grata" (I studied Latin... go figure ) because of this, you just caused the split, and the remaining members of CO initially declared you unwelcome in a (possibly slightly paranoid) reaction.

alyssah wrote:9) At no time have we been anything but helpful to CO. I resent your spurious imputation that we denuded CO of of any items whatsoever. I look forward to there being a civil litigation society included in the next patch.

They were neither spurious nor aimed at you, unfortunately the items I was referring to were taken by a member who left us to go to none of the 3 guilds involved (CO, Outlaws, MCO). Just to make my wording clear to you and everyone else: "the leaving of many members, and some looting on the way out"; the looting is implied to be done by the members who were leaving (it being the closest sensible noun in the sentence) and the members of MCO did not leave at the time everyone else did.

alyssah wrote:Despite your attempts to create hostility between CO & MCO ...

I am not trying to cause hostility, perhaps my attempts at RP hit a little too close to home; I apologise if they caused offence. Cloud informed me of some people's comments around him, so I clearly edited my post.

alyssah wrote:... we have continued to offer our assistance to CO if required. Please note - It is not or was not our intention to be anything other than a branch of CO.

If and when we require your help, we will ask for it; thank you for the gracious offer.

alyssah wrote:Its not our fault that paranoia and megolomania interrupted our good intentions.

It has been suggested to me by more than one current member of CO among others, that it was "paranoia and megolomania" on the part of an MCO member (or members) that caused this whole thing in the first place.

alyssah wrote:As for our leadership, that is purely a utilitarian title to be passed around as required.

I am afraid I am not entirely sure what you mean there; are you referring to the current encumbant of the "Leader" rank in MCO? I was not aware that I referred to your leadership at all in my post.

alyssah wrote:Do you really think you're inflamatory comments were just Sprite?
Alyssah.

I do not believe that they were inflammatory; they certainly were not meant to be so; once again I apologise and strongly reiterate for other people that

sprite wrote:MCO are probably a very nice bunch of people, just don't get us started on them Apparently some of you are going up to them and calling them evil; thats not nice you know ;p

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PS Jokey bit; NO INSULT INTENDED...

Alyssah wrote:I look forward to there being a civil litigation society included in the next patch.

So do I, because then I could sue you for defamatory use of the name Clan Omnis, or something (*not a lawyer* )

sssshhhhHHHHHHH!! ppl can't we get over this damn issue. Its a game for christ sakes.

I for one welcomed the whole MCO thing, coz i was the one member that was stuck in matis all alone, with my cries for assistance coming from the arrival of those such ppl that formed MCO. I provided dappers, jewels and anything i could get my hands on, with no assistance from the guild and for what! I helped members of CO to matis in the hope for assistance yet they still failed me until Alyssah and Cloud came over. If memory serves me right i do believe i even helped u to matis. If this is what being a member of CO is about i obviously joined the wrong guild at the start and would be quite willing to stop any interaction with CO.

It was this lack of support that eventually lead to all the members of CO in matis to quit the guild, with just myself as the optimistic one that thought things would improve.

One last question to u spriteh, What did u do to help the guild?

In my opinion the only thing u have done is to inflame the whole situation.

waik47 wrote:sssshhhhHHHHHHH!! ppl can't we get over this damn issue. Its a game for christ sakes.

If you want people to get over it, why are you bringing it up again?

waik47 wrote:In my opinion the only thing u have done is to inflame the whole situation.

I'm sorry you feel that way waiker, but my original post on this thread was only meant to inform people of what had happened in the guild with some RP elements thrown in. Unfortunately these RP parts seem to have been grossly misunderstood, and I'm getting all of it thrown in my face. Also, as the elected diplomat/ambassador/whatever of the new Clan Omnis, I have to post and reply to things like this, so it may seem that I am "inflaming" the whole thing; all I was doing was passing along what I had initially been told to. The guild is currently voting on the issue, and if a majority of us agree on it, then we may be back on good terms (that is if you Matis players (or players in Matis) can all get over your obvious hatred for me).

hi all , id just like to say it was sad to see Matis Clan Omnis split. Though i am glad that people did end up going and helping out waik47. Thats what guilds are about helping out all there members. i have friends in MCO and its sad to see them away from guild chat . i think that it would be nice to encorage MCO to re join with Clan Omnis. i know a few ppl went to MCO to try new tetorys but also because the guild was becomming clutterd with alot of people that were not well knowen, due to this the team work level had dropped. i dont think that the fall out with MCO was due to any one who still resides in CO. and i know that MCO have done nothing to realy exasperate the issue other than the initial split ( wether it was ortherised or not).
In conclusion it my oppinion that it would be nice to have you all back in the guild, yet i can understand the wish to keep MCO running- if your love of the matis lands has not diminished. how ever if you do so i think it would be pollite to discuss your role both in name and spirit in context with CO with the CO members.
Any reasonable feedback from both CO and MCO would be aprecated.
ps: apologies if im stepign on any ones toes im just voicing my own oppinion and suggestions, i in no way can claim to speak for all CO members though i know a few share similar oppinions.

Hi Sprite, I have been missing in action due to computer problems concerning sp2.
The answer from Malos was posted for over 2 weeks. Not like you to miss a good forum read or write for that long. However, if you wanted to find the truth you only need ask Mike or Maf. Not too difficult.
The only other point worth following up on was the missing guild items. You mentioned us being kicked and the following sentence then commented on departing members taking stock & dappers. It would be very easy for people to take the wrong idea. Thank you for clearing that up.
Drafly did the collection and was under the same impression as me that this was authorised. Please do everybody a favour & follow this up with the members who read Malos's article. I gave Malos an out by saying that there may have been a misunderstanding and he replied that he was fully behind this move. Please check this in the cause of fairness as it is crucial to the veracity of the rest of the mentioned reasons for setting up MCO. That is, if you want to be fair?
Look forward to the results of your research.
Ps. I bet Mikelaw could e-mail you the article. Then you could publish it here for all to see.

Ps. I bet Mikelaw could e-mail you the article. Then you could publish it here for all to see.

I could, but tbh this thread is boring the hell out of me... and many others.

1. Clan Omnis is still operational
2. Matis Clan Omnis is still operational
3. Outlaws is still operational

There is nothing anyone can say to change that all three guilds are active in atys at the moment.

Stop this pointless thread to gain attention ingame and out.

Were all bored of this fight whos right and whos not.

NO ONE CARES

If i was you guild leader i would shut both up, get a grip work together or dont work or talk at all.

Clan Omnis keep your business to yourselfs
Matis Clan Omnis do the same
Outlaws same applys

Mabe just mabe all of this can drop as imo is 2nd news now and we all have seen enough.

Please stop this thread and show some positive news from your guilds mabe just mabe we might see all 3 guilds do well and enjoy that news.

And dont waste ur times replying to this as you just start it all up again.

This is advice use it and show us something good to read.

Cheers

You are all invited to my wedding (tba).

Dress courtly and behave nicely

Sorry Mike - you asked for this. Where are we going to sort our differences since you shut down the Guild forum page? If you don't like what were writing then don't come back for more. Beggar off & mind your own business if you are not going to help. You could resolve most of this by passing on the article to Sprite. Actually, Malos could resolve it as well.

Sprite, good luck with your democratic approach. I think thats the best way.
See you when I'm sober.

Aly i have full right to shut down that forum as it was on my own bandwith

To you remarks i dont know where you should go to talk this out mabe ingame or email lol i dont really care tbh im just sick of seeing moans and rubbish posted when no-one cares.

I just wished you 2 would settle this ingame or email so when i see a new post on Clan Omnis or whatever is something nice to read not a loosing battle imo

I wasnt trying to get involved i just wanted to state that i was bored reading it

Cheers