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Re: Kitin invasions: Empowering hominkind
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:48 am
by liseke
michielb wrote:Edit: in other words not some statistic on a website telling me we were 50% successful but actually seeing in game that we have eliminated all invadors....
if the website said 50%, in the game world, the kitin population was at 50%.
(isn't that the third time i'm saying this?)
Re: Kitin invasions: Empowering hominkind
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:47 am
by thlau
liseke wrote:if the website said 50%, in the game world, the kitin population was at 50%.
(isn't that the third time i'm saying this?)
Sure, you now said it several times, but my observation is a different one. While the percentages of 'Kitins left around camp X' in the lakelands were about 95%-97% the 'Kitins fought back' percentage in the game was still 0%.
I complained several times about numbers not matching. I can't remember when that was fixed, but it was already several days into phase 2 or the invasion.
I agree with Machieltje, I too like to see a direct player character influence on the event, something not tied to missions. In my memory we wiped Dew Drops at least two times of KotD during the start of the event to no effect on the statistical numbers in game or the webpage, but doing the same during an official event did helped. I think Ryzom deserves better events, and I am sure the developers can do that.
Re: Kitin invasions: Empowering hominkind
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:02 pm
by ldjaggy
thlau wrote:
I agree with Machieltje, I too like to see a direct player character influence on the event, something not tied to missions. In my memory we wiped Dew Drops at least two times of KotD during the start of the event to no effect on the statistical numbers in game or the webpage, but doing the same during an official event did helped. I think Ryzom deserves better events, and I am sure the developers can do that.
Thats like asking for a direct effect on the land when I kill massive amounts of X creature. If that was the case code-wise, nothing would still be alive in Atys today!! It is much easier to take to task the mission in question to create the effect of a reduced population of the Kitins. On the other hand, for those of us who haven't achived the title "Kitin Mass Murderer" yet, we like the idea that we can still directly attack the spawns in question without affecting the mission-percentage, and those Kitins will still re-surface for another round of battle.
I recommend that if you want to wipe out all of the Kitins in question, take the missions first, then go on your battle spree...
Re: Kitin invasions: Empowering hominkind
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:17 pm
by michielb
ldjaggy wrote:Thats like asking for a direct effect on the land when I kill massive amounts of X creature. If that was the case code-wise, nothing would still be alive in Atys today!!
I'm aware it doesn't work like that but then that's not what I'm asking for. The changes I'm suggesting would
only apply to the KotD.
(mind you I wouldn't mind some kind of system where environmental damage was possible but only as a social experiment to confirm my suspicion that people will destroy what they have rather than share it with others.)
ldjaggy wrote:It is much easier to take to task the mission in question to create the effect of a reduced population of the Kitins. On the other hand, for those of us who haven't achived the title "Kitin Mass Murderer" yet, we like the idea that we can still directly attack the spawns in question without affecting the mission-percentage, and those Kitins will still re-surface for another round of battle.
Fist of all I don't see what's so great about being a mass murderer of any description, Guardian of Atys yes but a mass murderer. Running around with a title like that I'd aleays be afraid of having to someday face a war tribunal for crimes against kitin kind. "Atys defender" or "Hero of Atys" would be better.
Secondly, there are people who can not participate in the event and who's gameplay is(was?) seriously hindered by the event so it shouldn't laste too long lest new players leave out of frustration.
ldjaggy wrote:I recommend that if you want to wipe out all of the Kitins in question, take the missions first, then go on your battle spree...
Hm, isn't that part of what I was suggesting?
Re: Kitin invasions: Empowering hominkind
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:07 am
by thlau
ldjaggy wrote:
I recommend that if you want to wipe out all of the Kitins in question, take the missions first, then go on your battle spree...
Yes I want to wipe out all Kitins invading our lands, and I don't care for a title.
And even if you take the missions that tell you to kill Kitins of the Depth for kitin pieces, you will surprised to realize that they don't fight back the Kitins in the means of the event.